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Massive fine in Denmark’s first ever ‘sampling’ copyright case

I came across this article today and thought some of you may find this an interesting read...

http://www.cphpost.dk/culture/cultu...right-case.html

This is quite a hefty fine, in my opinion.

Although sampling in this instance is illegal, I can't help but feel some sympathy for Djuma Soundsystem.

What I'm curious about is how they will handle the people that sampled Les Djinns...There's a track on Toolroom that uses the same sample, and some lame ripoff that I think was called Les DJ Inns or something.

Itll be interesting to see how the appeal turns out now they have a lawyer on board. It does look like they guy sueing plucked a number out of his arse and the judge just accepted it. I'm sure theres more to it than that though.

They knew full well what they were doing at the time. I don't feel bad for them at all. They were probably better off keeping their mouths shut and hoping the dude who made the original never found out. I mean if you are gonna steal and then lie may as well go all the way lol

Denmark sucks and should burn. It's a well known fact. 1.1 mil NOK for 10 sec clip. Makes perfect sense.

damn... i used to like that track, glad to find the original source of the sample in any case.

take note all you 'ethnic' tech house weiners

To be honest, I didn't realise it was a sample until I read this.

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Originally posted by nefardec i used to like that track

oh come on, it's a classic. uncleared sample or not, that was/is a big track.

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Originally posted by kadomony oh come on, it's a classic. uncleared sample or not, that was/is a big track.

well that's what i mean, i used to play it out and still enjoy it if i hear it randomly. once i heard it getting a brazilian wax.

but i wouldn't play it these days, as i am interested in way too much other music.

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Originally posted by nefardec take note all you 'ethnic' tech house weiners

What does that have to do with anything in this thread? This type of stuff can happen to anyone, especially if you produce a hit with an unlicensed sample.

It has a lot to do with nef's lifelong vendetta to avenge all BLAXX.

Couldn't you say something along the lines of.... be careful ANYONE who samples EVER?

No, gotta only be those "ETHNIC" samples.


I used to like LES DJINNS too, I DON'T ANYMORE THOUGH.

I'VE GROWN BEYOND IT.

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Originally posted by idoru What does that have to do with anything in this thread? This type of stuff can happen to anyone, especially if you produce a hit with an unlicensed sample.

ok so take note all you ethnic-sampling i-don't-need-to-credit-samples-cuz-i'm-too-busy-sippin-ma-home-distilled-whiskey-drink-and-or-wearing-funny-hats weiners

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Originally posted by nefardec well that's what i mean, i used to play it out and still enjoy it if i hear it randomly. once i heard it getting a brazilian wax. but i wouldn't play it these days, as i am interested in way too much other music.

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What’s the cost of stealing ten seconds of music?

Nothing was stolen.

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Originally posted by nefardec ok so take note all you ethnic-sampling i-don't-need-to-credit-samples-cuz-i'm-too-busy-sippin-ma-home-distilled-whiskey-drink-and-or-wearing-funny-hats weiners

You're not suggesting that your "genuinely soulful, black, ethnic-sampling" artists aren't guilty of illegal sampling, are you?

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Originally posted by idoru You're not suggesting that your "genuinely soulful, black, ethnic-sampling" artists aren't guilty of illegal sampling, are you?

exactly, find me one sample used by the fellow people that has been cleared, in advance: kenny dixon jr, theo parrish, dj sneak, glenn underground.

Omar S, while we're at it.

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Originally posted by nefardec well that's what i mean, i used to play it out and still enjoy it if i hear it randomly. once i heard it getting a brazilian wax. but i wouldn't play it these days, as i am interested in way too much other music.

You mean you wouldn't play the original or the Trentemoeller version?

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Originally posted by idoru You're not suggesting that your "genuinely soulful, black, ethnic-sampling" artists aren't guilty of illegal sampling, are you?

nope, but then again they aren't being played in my wax salon either, so it's probably not so important they be as careful.

obviously, anyone who samples is at risk. i think risk correlates with if not corresponds to exposure.

in any case, i do think there is a sociocultural angle to sampling that goes ignored. from a technical standpoint there is no difference between someone like omar s sampling the supremes, afrika bambataa sampling kraftwerk, and djuma soundsystem sampling some turkish dude, but from a sociocultural perspective, there is actually a lot of difference, which has to do with dominant sociocultural privilege. so enjoy all y'all's colonialist, orientalist beats and i'll enjoy my radical fair-trade muzak.

but come on, we all know i'm being a cvnt, does that even need to be said? that's my angle.


ps here's an article on specifically black (well at least it seems that way) orientalism
http://www.racialicious.com/2011/06/02/who-runs-the-world-on-beyonce-sampling-race-and-power/

Actually I'd say ethnic tech thieves have much less to worry about. African flutesmen probably don't have the same legal representation as Led Zeppelin.

You should only sample amish people cuz they got no internets

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Actually I'd say ethnic tech thieves have much less to worry about. African flutesmen probably don't have the same legal representation as Led Zeppelin.

again i think it's more of a question of exposure. 'les djinns' was released on 66 additional labels besides get physical. it's not really a question of legality for me since I support sampling as an artistic technique across the board. i don't think all sampling is created equal though as far as artistic merit and social awareness goes.

let's get a mulatu astatke up in here



in following that middle-eastern jazz funk artists are getting pissed at squeaky clean tech club artists, will this inspire the next 'les djinns' incident?



i think what the world needs is a board of hipsters who preside over declaring a song 'proper' use of sampling and 'wack' use of sampling. if it is decreed 'wack' by the board (United Sample-Based Composition Commission, or USUCC) , then the country in which the copyright issue was raised may continue with legal proceedings. If not, the track gets released on a 2CD compilation along with all of the other exonerated sample based tracks every year.

kinda lame

everything comes from something...even that original song was most likely inspired by something else that sounded just like if not exactly like it

http://www.dummymag.com/news/2011/0...led-from-shops/

Nicolas Jaar album is being pulled from shops Due to an uncleared sample on one of the tracks, Jaar’s album ‘Space Is Only Noise’ is to be removed from stores.

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