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Posted by klappa on Oct-11-2011 15:55:

What's the purpose of buying tracks online?

Which are equal expensive than their vinyl/cd counterparts? I just bought a damn A&H DX midi-controller and i won't use it since i just figured out that a let's say a EP from a well known label is equal expensive as it's vinyl counterpart, especially if were talking about uncompressed WAV files.

What the hell were they thinking? Especially when i have my big doubts about compressed digital files, you can't neither touch or hug them and so they have no value for me.

I was thinking if i bought the vinyl and rip it to wav. Atleast i get the physical thing which does matter to me. But i can't count on my Technics players reliability? Or should i just buy some cd-players instead?


Posted by barnes17 on Oct-11-2011 15:56:

Didn't you just answer you own questions?


Posted by Vector A on Oct-11-2011 16:18:

Used to feel the same way, but got over it. The music is what matters to me, not the medium.

Things are starting to get saner, as some places now offer albums in WAV form cheaper than the CD and vinyl versions.


Posted by Woony on Oct-11-2011 16:24:

If you're anal enough about sound quality to buy WAV (honestly I don't think it matters unless you play on a friggin Funktion One system) you really shouldn't play vinyl rips. Anyways, I think WAVs on Beatport are a scam. They tell all the bedroom DJs 'Hey you gotta play WAV if you wanna be professional!' and they go and pay 15$ (no joke, exclusive releases are even more expensive) for a new 4 tracker WAV EP.

The whole WAV "UPGRADE" thing is a joke too, they get the files send as WAVs and THEN compress them to mp3s. Also server storage costs have shrunk immensly in the last few years so charging more than a few cents for WAV storage is the most ridiculous thing ever anyways.

So that's my monthly Beatport rant. There are a few selected stores that sell WAV for less but Beatport still has loads of exclusive releases and the most broad selection.


Posted by SYSTEM-J on Oct-11-2011 16:58:

The main argument is that if you pay for a vinyl, you have to buy all the tracks, where as buying digitally you can usually just cherry-pick the genuine quality and not have to pay for bad mixes you'll never play.

The other argument is that a lot of shit just isn't pressed to vinyl or released on CD at all, so you've got no option.

With albums and a lot of EPs, where I want all the tracks anyway, I will always buy the physical because you get a nice hard copy back up in case you drop your hard drive in a lake, and you also get a pretty little commodity to give you the consumerist purchasing thrill.


Posted by Adam420 on Oct-11-2011 17:11:

With Beatport I can have the track the day it comes out. If I wanted to buy the vinyl I'd have to wait several weeks to get it. But yea Beatport charges way too much.


Posted by Trance-M on Oct-11-2011 20:29:

They ones told us, people of my age, that in the future you could order your own selection of tracks as compilation on cd.

Well, that didn't make it, but downloading and burning is about the same now. So that's the purpose IMO, just buy what you like. And boy did that come like 15 years too late...

If I would get 50 Eurocent for every shit tracks at my cd collection, I better don't start counting...


Posted by TranceArmstrong on Oct-12-2011 03:22:

the artists get a little bit of money, instead of none if you get all your tracks via piracy?


Posted by kittyggirl on Oct-12-2011 03:56:

Things are starting to get saner, as some places now offer albums in WAV form cheaper than the CD and vinyl versions.


Posted by LoveHate on Oct-12-2011 05:14:

i feel better when i buy it, whatever form it may be, only because i am a music lover..kinda hard to explain but whatever.


Posted by klappa on Oct-12-2011 12:35:

quote:
Originally posted by kittyggirl
Things are starting to get saner, as some places now offer albums in WAV form cheaper than the CD and vinyl versions.


Saner? What the hell, wav's should be way cheaper than the physical thing not 0.50 euro cheaper.

edit: speaking of the whole singel, ep etc..


Posted by stealthman on Oct-13-2011 11:26:

So that people like me can upload them in HD on youtube so that every teenager can download it as an mp3 faster than they can click their mouse button.


Posted by Chimney on Oct-13-2011 11:59:

Because sometimes I just want to be in my underwear at home and get the track fast. It's convenient. For my part, there are tons of great techno tracks which aren't in digital though.

This seems to be heading slowly towards a .wav vs. vinyl discussion.


Posted by Trance-M on Oct-13-2011 19:24:

quote:
Originally posted by dj christian
Saner? What the hell, wav's should be way cheaper than the physical thing not 0.50 euro cheaper.


Replace "wav's" by "ebook". That's exactly what my colleague who ownes more then 6000 books says about ebooks.

Personally I rather would choose a 320kbps mp3 over wav as in most situations when I'm listening to music I'll not be able to hear the difference at all.


Posted by klappa on Oct-13-2011 21:16:

quote:
Originally posted by Trance-MB
Replace "wav's" by "ebook". That's exactly what my colleague who ownes more then 6000 books says about ebooks.

Personally I rather would choose a 320kbps mp3 over wav as in most situations when I'm listening to music I'll not be able to hear the difference at all.


That last statement would be true if you listens at home or make a mix but playing a 320 vs a WAV actually makes a difference in a good sound-speaker setup in a club.


Posted by Chimney on Oct-13-2011 21:25:

quote:
Originally posted by dj christian
That last statement would be true if you listens at home or make a mix but playing a 320 vs a WAV actually makes a difference in a good sound-speaker setup in a club.


You're just full of shit more and more as days pass. You think club music systems, or festivals are axed on sound-quality? You think regular DJs buy .wavs?

You apparently haven't got the slightest fucking clue about hi-fi audio.


Posted by FuzzQi on Oct-14-2011 03:07:

quote:
What's the purpose of buying tracks online?


Cheap, easy, and instant, without losing enough quality to cry over


Posted by klappa on Oct-14-2011 12:42:

quote:
Originally posted by FuzzQi
Cheap, easy, and instant, without losing enough quality to cry over


Well i thought you'd rip the vinyls to wavs as soon as you get hold of them?

Anyway is it a good idea to rip from vinyl ----> wav and using them to mix on the computer/cd-players?


Posted by Woony on Oct-14-2011 12:46:

quote:
Originally posted by dj christian
Well i thought you'd rip the vinyls to wavs as soon as you get hold of them?

Anyway is it a good idea to rip from vinyl ----> wav and using them to mix on the computer/cd-players?


As I said, no. If you wanna use Vinyl, play Vinyl. Or just buy 320 mp3s. Or bend over and pay for .wavs if you feel like you have to.


Posted by klappa on Oct-14-2011 13:24:

quote:
Originally posted by Woonyxoxo
As I said, no. If you wanna use Vinyl, play Vinyl. Or just buy 320 mp3s. Or bend over and pay for .wavs if you feel like you have to.


Then i wanna hear your personal reason why i shouldn't.


Posted by Woony on Oct-14-2011 14:09:

quote:
Originally posted by dj christian
Then i wanna hear your personal reason why i shouldn't.


Read my first post
If you're anal enough about sound quality to buy WAV (honestly I don't think it matters unless you play on a friggin Funktion One system) you really shouldn't play vinyl rips.


Posted by bas on Oct-14-2011 14:44:

Where are you buying digital files that cost as much as vinyl


Posted by klappa on Oct-14-2011 15:09:

quote:
Originally posted by Woonyxoxo
As I said, no. If you wanna use Vinyl, play Vinyl. Or just buy 320 mp3s. Or bend over and pay for .wavs if you feel like you have to.


The problem i use both vinyl and a dj midi-controller, you should read my first post. And i do care about quality, i guess im spoiled about it since i have bought vinyls since the last decade.

But that's not important, it seems i can't mix them both. The midi-controller is crude and i can't have it between my Technics like a single cd-player. Damn why did i buy the midi-controller in the first place?

quote:
quote:
Originally posted by bas Where are you buying digital files that cost as much as vinyl


Beatport. No it doesn't cost as much but it's not far away. It's stupid! I wouldn't believe it as cheap as Spotify or other music streaming services but it's ridiculous high.


Posted by Woony on Oct-14-2011 15:54:

quote:
Originally posted by bas
Where are you buying digital files that cost as much as vinyl



That's almost 20 USD, welcome to Beatport's WAV and EU policies


Posted by Woony on Oct-14-2011 15:55:

quote:
Originally posted by dj christian
The problem i use both vinyl and a dj midi-controller, you should read my first post. And i do care about quality, i guess im spoiled about it since i have bought vinyls since the last decade.

But that's not important, it seems i can't mix them both. The midi-controller is crude and i can't have it between my Technics like a single cd-player. Damn why did i buy the midi-controller in the first place?



My point is, if you care about quality you shouldn't even consider playing Vinyl rips.


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