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Tiesto implies: Trance is for druggies, it's "not mature," and not evolution?

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I don't think I really play rave music anymore. Dance music in general has evolved to a mature sound. To call it rave music is so '90s. It's a mature sound like rock and jazz and hip-hop. And we draw a different crowd nowadays than just drug-releated people. That's the most annoying thing -- that it's all about drugs. It's so much more than that.

He claims that dance music has evolved. He claims that he doesn't play "rave music anymore." What is rave music? If he considers calling 90s dance music as "rave music," then he must be implying that Trance is also 90s rave music. If he is implying that Trance is 90s rave music, then he is saying that Trance is only for druggies and it is an immature sound and whatnot.

I'm not sure if I'm taking this out of context, but that's how I really feel about what he's saying. Tijs is full of it. It doesn't matter if it is Trance, House, Techno, DubStep, DnB, or whatever else. Each genre and each form of music has a druggie crowd. There are still sobers and druggies at his new concerts. And it wasn't any different when he was spinning Trance as well.

All of this will make sense ten years from now when you become jaded.

Has he even heard brostep?

Yes because no one was tripping balls on acid at Woodstock in 69, and no one smokes pot at the Rock the Bells hip hop festival in NYC every year.

The music he plays now caters to bros piss drunk on grey goose hulking out on blow, hypocrite.

Tiesto doesn't know what he's talking about. There is and always has been a large part of the scene that advocates against drugs.
I don't do any drugs; the music alone gets me energized.
He's just trying to make excuses as to why his music has been so terrible the past few years by saying it's "evolved" I think.

If you actually show the context of that quote...

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What do you think of the controversy over raves in L.A. (they've pretty much been shut out of the L.A. Coliseum and Sports Arena after a 15-year-old died from an ecstasy overdose). I think it's a little over the top how people reacted. I think if you organize everything well, people can die anywhere -- at pop and rock festivals. I don't think I really play rave music anymore. Dance music in general has evolved to a mature sound. To call it rave music is so '90s. It's a mature sound like rock and jazz and hip-hop. And we draw a different crowd nowadays than just drug-releated people. That's the most annoying thing -- that it's all about drugs. It's so much more than that.

...Then I really don't see what's so offensive about what he said. Especially considering he's trying to promote an event in the world's epicenter of drug paranoia.

DJ Pluviose, in the nicest possible sense... can you please shut the fuck up and stop polluting MD with your endless ramblings about trance and Tiesto and 1997, for fuck's sake?

He's just another trance guy from the dance illuminati who wants to get rid of trance's kiddie unicorn connotations. If you look at the guys in trance these days, they don't have crazy raver pants, a pacifier, and other rave regalia. They look like suave European guys.

Trance is a dirty word. Markus Schulz wants to kill unicorns. Lots of old prog guys put themselves in the tech house or techno camp now. The thing is, as much as I love Schulz and Tiesto, Ferry ,etc., they do play and make ravey stuff. Nothing wrong with that at all. I wonder why there is so much self-loathing in trance that even guys who are in it don't want to be associated with it.

That said, I am pretty sad that Tiesto had Americanized his sound. Today's post-rave sound in the states is heavily derivative of rock, pop, and hip-hop which is our holy trinity here. You can't reach a wide audience here playing magik tiesto or isos tiesto.

Umm, Tjis...mature does not automatically mean good. In fact, trying to make something more mature often ends up producing something that is the very opposite of good.
Here's a video that I consider to be quite relevant:

No, it's not implied. You are reading into it so much that you are twisting the meaning.

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Originally posted by pointPi Umm, Tjis...mature does not automatically mean good. In fact, trying to make something more mature often ends up producing something that is the very opposite of good.

...And in a worst-case scenario, the very opposite of mature, as well.

Why is anyone paying any attention to what this clown is saying in the first place? Why are you reading Tiesto interviews in 2011? Just ignore him, please. There's too much great music out there to be discovered to waste time deliberately getting angry about the bad stuff.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Why is anyone paying any attention to what this clown is saying in the first place? Why are you reading Tiesto interviews in 2011? Just ignore him, please. There's too much great music out there to be discovered to waste time deliberately getting angry about the bad stuff.

Admittedly, there's a certain enjoyment derived from watching celebrities continuously suffer from foot-in-mouth disease. In America, anyway.

System-J, you make very unique and fabulous mixes. I am quite positive that it is not only me who enjoys listening to the mixes that you post here on TA. Each mix has great track selections, a strong buildup, and it can deliver some very powerful messages to the listener through the work of your efforts. It's not just one mix that we enjoy, but numerous ones. I'm sure many people at TA respect and appreciate what you have done. Not only have you established yourself as a very refined, knowledgeable, and talented individual here at TA, but you have also built a fine reputation of yourself. People know you, and some may even have you in high regards. You may be the subscribed one in a person's musical preference. With a reputation such as yours, it might be in your best interest to think twice about what words that you project sometimes. When you have people who respect you and have you in a higher regard, they might be driven away sometimes and lose respect for that person by what the person might say, do, act, or feel upon. In this case scenario, it is highly suggested to rethink things over, and take into account if what you are saying is actually worth mentioning.

I'm sorry man, I hadn't slept this morning and was drunk from the night before so I was highly irritable, but you keep making the same post over and over. And seriously: stop caring about Tiesto. It's over. You'll feel a lot happier.

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Originally posted by -FSP- You can't reach a wide audience here playing magik tiesto or isos tiesto.

Sad but true, there are generally no individuals here in the states, specifically San Jose, Los Angeles, San Francisco, or any other major city in certain the facet of EDM city cliques and fans, listeners, groups, or artists who even have the slightest potential interest of listening to Magik / ISOs sound. Most Americans are used to 3 minute instantaneous hook synths and verses that they lose the patience to listen to a full-on 7 minute epic anthem buildup. No wonder why Tiesto's first Kaleidoscope album was apparently 3-5 minute cut tracks.

He's not lying when he says he likes LA and likes being famous in the states and living "with the stars" in LA. He's already made Europe his bitch, and now he's trying to do the same in America. Advertising his concerts/raves with interest things such as "TIESTO WILL MAKE HISTORY, WITH HIS COLLEGE INVASION TOUR! JOIN US, AND YOU WILL BE A PART OF HISTORY TOO!"

I was watching one of his concert videos at the Home Depot center, and he was constantly on the mic during his set saying things like "Hello LA! (or whatever city he is in) How's everything tonight? This night is proof that we made history, that dance music is the best thing in the world. And how does it feel, to be a part of history?"

I don't what he's up to but whatever. Just interesting to discuss.

@System-J: I'll work on it. Must apologize on my part too, I don't really know if I'm pushing it or anything. So it's a good thing you at least spoke and and told me before I did anything more stupid. In any case, the reason I target Tiesto is only because there is a lot of interesting speculation and questions that pop into my mind. I guess I should just let it go though.

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Originally posted by Dj Pluviose ...the reason I target Tiesto...

While it might be interesting, I just don't think it serves a useful purpose. I agree that the guy lacks artistic integrity and has likely made a fool of himself. Focusing on his lack of talent, however, seems to suggest that you think his faltered artistic integrity is something he can or is even willing to correct; and failing that, he should just get out of the business, altogether.

The guy is a mainstream music industry brand and not the first of his kind, either. He's packaged like a pop-star because that's what he is and there are very, very few pop-stars with the actual talent to match their hype. You may as well be criticizing Scope or Tide for not being "original" and "selling out." Neither those companies nor businesses of the music industry really care. For the most part, they are interested in the revenue stream.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I'm sorry man, I hadn't slept this morning and was drunk from the night before so I was highly irritable, but you keep making the same post over and over. And seriously: stop caring about Tiesto. It's over. You'll feel a lot happier.

What a lame excuse. All the other times you acted like this you were drunk too? So if your drunk the words 'idiot' and 'fuck' appear first?
Now you'll tell me you really think I'm an idiot, but as long as my former classmate, now neighbour and psychiatrist doesn't tell me the same I'm not so worried. O, you won't tell me as I'm on your blacklist. LOL for even having one.
Well being intelligent is one thing....
What a shame, because when your sober I share you views mostly.


(More) On topic, like Bierheld I also don't read it like that and to me it doesn't sound strange at all. Tiesto IMO knows what he is talking about looking at his age and what he witnessed in the 90's and being part of the scene then.
When Tiesto speaks of 'rave' first thing I'm thinking of is 'Mayday', but probably he is even more referring to the hardcore scene were drugs was like normal.
When he says the music sounds mature then I think he says that it will not be getting better from a technical point of view. That's in line with my own opinion that I don't think we are going to see spectacular changes or developments in the near future, although many seem to be waiting for that.

I don't understand why people think so much about what a DJ or artist in general says or what he/she could be trying to say. My former boss is an Alice Cooper fan, what he thinks is behind Alices lyrics probably is far more than Alice can imagine in his worst bloody headrolling nightmares...

My excuse is that when I'm at TA it's after a long day working, being tired and lack of sleep because our little one wouldn't sleep....

hahah system i a porno .

Re: Tiesto implies: Trance is for druggies, it's "not mature," and not evolution?

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It's a mature sound like [...] hip-hop.

please enjoy the mature musical stylings of dj tiesto

newsflash tiesto: if it wasn't for the drugs, you wouldn't be able to fill even a quarter of the home depot center. of course I understand what he's saying, but it's almost implying that the music he now makes is somehow separated from or "above" the drugs. it's not

yes, tiesto doesn't get "only" the drug-related people anymore, he's managed to add some of the worst segments of society to his crowds: guidos, the dubstep herd, and pure trash

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Originally posted by Bierheld If you actually show the context of that quote... ...Then I really don't see what's so offensive about what he said. Especially considering he's trying to promote an event in the world's epicenter of drug paranoia.

roflll i was ready to post a serious response but you just killed the thread, instantly. absurd from the op

Is Tiesto even necessarily still considered among top tier pop dance celbritydom?

It seemed as though his influence and commercial sway in the Dance community just continuously began to wane and wane since Elements of Life, to the point where his change in direction possibly reflected his own awareness of it.

Then again, maybe it was just the attention I was paying to him just waned and waned since Elements of Life.

Also, can we get some kind of 'one-night-only' review session over on Trancecritic? Just Sykonee and SYSTEM-J issuing their reviews of something particularly relevant to whatever direction Dance music has taken following the last submission to that site.

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Originally posted by Paradox Lost Is Tiesto even necessarily still considered among top tier pop dance celbritydom? It seemed as though his influence and commercial sway in the Dance community just continuously began to wane and wane since Elements of Life, to the point where his change in direction possibly reflected his own awareness of it.

he can pull in the dollars, but in terms of cultural cachet he's years behind armin, skrillex, deadmau5 and guetta

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