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Good people doing evil things takes religion?

"With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."
- Steven Weinberg.

True or not?

There's no such thing as "good" people or "bad" people. There are just people who do good things and people who do bad things. That quote is stupid, and fuck off chlola.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process, they do not become a monster; and when you stare into the abyss, the abyss also stares into you.

^Both quotes pertain to "good" people doing evil things and neither take religion into account so, to answer your question, fuck off!

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Originally posted by srussell0018 There's no such thing as "good" people or "bad" people. There are just people who do good things and people who do bad things. That quote is stupid, and fuck off chlola.

Sorry, but you're quite wrong about this.

Fuck off, Eddie!

Re: Good people doing evil things takes religion?

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Originally posted by Kylle "With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." - Steven Weinberg. True or not?

Wrong, if religious people do bad things, their God says it's good.

Logic.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker Sorry, but you're quite wrong about this.

Please explain. If you're assuming that any person could be inherently good or bad, that's absurd.

All people are bad. So the whole argument doesn't make any sense.

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Originally posted by Redd Fuck off, Eddie!

Well first, you have to objectively define what "good" and "bad" is; impossible. Then you have to clarify a set percentage of a person required to define them as a "good" or "bad" person; impossible.

I'd really like to know what you're trying to disagree with, because I don't think it's really possible for you to even define what a good or bad person is, and how you could possibly classify someone as objectively good or bad.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Well first, you have to objectively define what "good" and "bad" is; impossible. Then you have to clarify a set percentage of a person required to define them as a "good" or "bad" person; impossible. I'd really like to know what you're trying to disagree with, because I don't think it's really possible for you to even define what a good or bad person is, and how you could possibly classify someone as objectively good or bad.

I seem to remember that we've had this conversation, before. Your position seemed entirely too reliant on a shifting-sands premise. It was almost similar to a conversation I had when I was five about whether my blue might be seen as someone else's yellow. That is to say that one of us was seeing either blue or yellow but, since we'd been trained that it was called one or the other, one of us was actually thinking that the color yellow was called blue. Or was it the other way around?

It doesn't really matter because I'm not about to get into that conversation, again.

Cant.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker I seem to remember that we've had this conversation, before. Your position seemed entirely too reliant on a shifting-sands premise. It was almost similar to a conversation I had when I was five about whether my blue might be seen as someone else's yellow. That is to say that one of us was seeing either blue or yellow but, since we'd been trained that it was called one or the other, one of us was actually thinking that the color yellow was called blue. Or was it the other way around? It doesn't really matter because I'm not about to get into that conversation, again.

Excellent dodge, and excellent misrepresentation of whatever point you were trying to claim that I made, while throwing in a veiled ad hominem attack with the five year old comment. Awful lot of nothing relevant in that comment.

You're better than that, really.

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Originally posted by Vector A Cant.

No, you Kant.

I was referring to the quote that opened the thread.

Accurately and objectively define what a "good" person is, and what a "bad" person is, and I'll write you a thousand word essay on why you are the most brilliant mind in the history of human kind.

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Originally posted by Vector A I was referring to the quote that opened the thread.

I figured but without an apostrophe, I had to make the pun.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Excellent dodge, and excellent misrepresentation of whatever point you were trying to claim that I made, while throwing in a veiled ad hominem attack with the five year old comment. Awful lot of nothing relevant in that comment. You're better than that, really.

I'm not trying to insult your intelligence or even make a veiled ad hominem. I'll even acknowledge that it's a drastic over-simplification of our discussion in comparing it to the one I had when I was five. While I might enjoy discussing it with you, another day, I'm just not in the mood, right now, and have other matters that need tending to.


But you're still wrong.

No I'm not.

are all catholics belong to us?

I think it's extremely harmful for mankind and the world if you spread the idea that it is positive to believe in something without reason, and do things without rational reasoning. If we can be good to our neighbor because of a false god, can someone then be evil to his neighbor because of a false god? You don't have anything to distinguish between the positive and the negative.

- And here's an interesting thought: If someone immediately thinks "I would never do anything negative in a god's name", we see immediately that there is no need for a god to be moral. It's built into us. We can easily be charitable without a god telling us.

There are only negative consequences of believing, because the positive, we could easily do without gods.

did EddieZilker ever post here under another name?

There's no such thing as good or evil.

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Originally posted by Lews There's no such thing as good or evil.

No such thing as evil, maybe.

Plenty of good around the place

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Accurately and objectively define what a "good" person is, and what a "bad" person is, and I'll write you a thousand word essay on why you are the most brilliant mind in the history of human kind.

bad / evil = everyone who supports the Sushipunk Complot
good = everyone who opposes the Sushipunk Complot

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