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So Why does no one Pick on House or Electro for using the same sounds?

Hey TA,

This has been bugging me for a while because I still can't figure out an answer. As many of you may know, that trance music has been criticized heavily amongst the dance music culture, for so called, "using the same sounds" or for sounding all the same. What I don't get is, why isn't the community picking on house music or electro music that much?

As far as I know, house music still to this day still uses a lot of the old house sounds but no one seems to have a problem with it? Not to say House music is shit or bad;I like some tracks, but a lot of them use the same backtrack or chord progression.Tech house is one genre that falls under this and deep house.


A lot of the deep house tracks have the same sort of sounds yet no one seem to have a problem with it?


So why trance?

Electro however, is just fart noises, yet people seem to find something new and something interesting in it. It's all noise to me. It's the same pitch and frequency...annoying as hell.

Should we really be focusing on what Trance sound is used? Or should it be how it's used? And By Trance I don't mean this trouse rubbish.

Re: So Why does no one Pick on House or Electro for using the same sounds?

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Originally posted by TheTranceAddic As far as I know, house music still to this day still uses a lot of the old house sounds but no one seems to have a problem with it? Not to say House music is shit or bad;I like some tracks, but a lot of them use the same backtrack or chord progression.Tech house is one genre that falls under this and deep house. A lot of the deep house tracks have the same sort of sounds yet no one seem to have a problem with it?

Romanticism of the past. Plus its scene tends to think of itself as more sophisticated because the music tends to get played in more intimate environments rather than stadium concerts.

As for farty-electro, you'll find its detractors (*cough*) have been complaining about it for as long as its existed. Doesn't stop its fanbase from enjoying it tho'.

Trance has been more of a scapegoat for the scene its cultivated the past decade than for the musical content. Mind, the annoyingly repetitive epic-anthem-cheeseball stuff came part-and-parcel with that scene (yay hopping in one spot with a fist in the air while playing sing-a-long to trite vocals!), but there you have it.

One theory, anyway.

because electro house is quality music, idiot. get your ears checked.

Everything sounds the same no matter the genre.. Now thread closed.

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Originally posted by Mattinsanity because electro house is quality music, idiot. get your ears checked.

How about your shut the fuck up asshole? Go troll somewhere else...moron.It is you sir who needs a proper set of ears. You really enjoy the heavily detuned synth?

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Originally posted by Sykonee Romanticism of the past. Plus its scene tends to think of itself as more sophisticated because the music tends to get played in more intimate environments rather than stadium concerts. As for farty-electro, you'll find its detractors (*cough*) have been complaining about it for as long as its existed. Doesn't stop its fanbase from enjoying it tho'. Trance has been more of a scapegoat for the scene its cultivated the past decade than for the musical content. Mind, the annoyingly repetitive epic-anthem-cheeseball stuff came part-and-parcel with that scene (yay hopping in one spot with a fist in the air while playing sing-a-long to trite vocals!), but there you have it. One theory, anyway.

Ah! Thanks that's one explanation. However, trance gets bashed to shit. Probably more than house.

^blow me you transy. electro house was the forefront electronic genre from 2005-2007.

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Originally posted by Mattinsanity ^blow me you transy. electro house was the forefront electronic genre from 2005-2007.

And Ferry created Electrofart trance with his Punk back in 2002.

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Originally posted by dj christian And Ferry created Electrofart trance with his Punk back in 2002.

What a pioneer, isn't he?...

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Originally posted by dj christian And Ferry created Electrofart trance with his Punk back in 2002.

Ferry then it was followed by the Drill- Drill. Then followed by Alex M.O.R.P.H. vs. Rank 1 - Life Less Ordinary then it became a trend cool to incorporates farts. Thus the downfall of EuroTrance.

Who are we talking about when you say "the community"? I'm pretty sure there isn't some unified electronic music community that agrees on anything about any style of music. Techno fans, drum 'n bass fans, trance fans, house fans... they all have completely different points of reference, different types of party, different tastes.

Who, exactly, is picking on trance for sounding the same? Is it those house and electro people, whose music all sounds the same, or just various people?







Is it those progressive fucking rockers? Because they have no fucking room to talk! None!

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Originally posted by meriter ...vid...

I didn't even play it and it made me laugh.

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Originally posted by meriter

The music is perfect

I think it's because trance fans take trance way too seriously, and praise it for being emotional and melodic...It is, but in the simplest terms imaginable.

Just want to point out that modern fart noise house is not the true nature of electro. If you want to take it back to real electro you get titles like this, which are still being released today and stuff like this is levels above

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Originally posted by Guest Just want to point out that modern fart noise house is not the true nature of electro. If you want to take it back to real electro you get titles like this, which are still being released today and stuff like this is levels above

There is a connection - listen to the synthbass that enters at 0:32

Heavy sawtooth basslines have been a feature of electro since its inception, just like how plucks and pads have been a feature of trance music before it even had beats (kraut/ambient)

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Originally posted by mehta There is a connection - listen to the synthbass that enters at 0:32 Heavy sawtooth basslines have been a feature of electro since its inception, just like how plucks and pads have been a feature of trance music before it even had beats (kraut/ambient)

Eh you're really grasping there.

This music I posted sounds like its conducted from a spaceship. Modern popular obnoxious electro does not posess that aesthetic whatsoever.

I think people do pick on house and electro house songs for having the same sound. I am part of a house forum and I hear complaints about prog house sounding too generic nowadays, kind of like how I hear the same complaint about trance on this board. And electro house, well don't get me started on that, that is the worst genre imo but to each his own.

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Originally posted by Guest Eh you're really grasping there. This music I posted sounds like its conducted from a spaceship. Modern popular obnoxious electro does not posess that aesthetic whatsoever.

Sure you are right about that, but my point was just that lots of early electro had big "farty" basslines - maybe not so much sidechain compression and vst presets, but there is some kind of tenuous connection there

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Originally posted by EddieZilker Who, exactly, is picking on trance for sounding the same? Is it those house and electro people, whose music all sounds the same, or just various people? Is it those progressive fucking rockers? Because they have no fucking room to talk! None!

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Trance.nu(which I know is dead but the dicks there do). Anjunabeats and their shitty forum.And offcourse, a lot of the house fans who have tuned into trance. [QUOTE]Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Who are we talking about when you say "the community"? I'm pretty sure there isn't some unified electronic music community that agrees on anything about any style of music. Techno fans, drum 'n bass fans, trance fans, house fans... they all have completely different points of reference, different types of party, different tastes.

Pretty much a lot of the people who are "bored" of the sound. I yawn at those people. Even a few producers have complained about producers using the "same" sounds.

I'll name one producer. Mike foyle who is one of those guys who has accused trance of sounding all the same.If you ever meet mike foyle don't talk to him, he's a real douchebag.

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Originally posted by Guest Just want to point out that modern fart noise house is not the true nature of electro. If you want to take it back to real electro you get titles like this, which are still being released today and stuff like this is levels above

That's a cool track I'll admit. However, sounds more electronish/technnoish than electro. The problem is the genre has a horribly detuned synth that really makes you feel sick to be honest.

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Originally posted by Pookie I think people do pick on house and electro house songs for having the same sound. I am part of a house forum and I hear complaints about prog house sounding too generic nowadays, kind of like how I hear the same complaint about trance on this board. And electro house, well don't get me started on that, that is the worst genre imo but to each his own.

Really? I've heard the opposite.House music is still the most preferred genre. People and producers and djs wanna hear a completely different genre.

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Originally posted by TheTranceAddic Pretty much a lot of the people who are "bored" of the sound. I yawn at those people. Even a few producers have complained about producers using the "same" sounds. I'll name one producer. Mike foyle who is one of those guys who has accused trance of sounding all the same.

Well then it's probably because they don't listen to house or electro. Why would they complain about something they aren't interested in? Most of these people are entirely concerned with the quality of trance music - they want it to improve.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Well then it's probably because they don't listen to house or electro. Why would they complain about something they aren't interested in? Most of these people are entirely concerned with the quality of trance music - they want it to improve.

http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=OAi_aQF-Rs0

Mike Foyle is a troll

http://www.facebook.com/mikefoyle/posts/112978188803555

I commented on his facebook fanpage and he blocks me. He thinks I am old "fashioned" and deletes my comment.

So is Mike Foyle the "community"? Why should Mike Foyle care about house or electro? Mike Foyle makes trance. What has Mike Foyle blocking you on Facebook got to do with this thread?

Let me guess, you're "antripod123", right?

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Originally posted by TheTranceAddic Pretty much a lot of the people who are "bored" of the sound. I yawn at those people. Even a few producers have complained about producers using the "same" sounds. I'll name one producer. Mike foyle who is one of those guys who has accused trance of sounding all the same.

In spite of this, why is it really a problem? The same sorts of sentiments have been said by nearly everyone about every sort of music, for quite a long time. This isn't a new trend, completely focused on trance. Some of these criticisms have merit while others are superficial. What legitimizes you starting a thread about it?


And honestly, it's Mr. Foyle's right to block you from his facebook - even if you're rashing him with favorable comments. I suspect you either don't know what a troll is or you're trolling, yourself; and I feel pity for you, if it's the former.

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