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hi hat loop library WITHOUT snares or claps

Hey guys,

I am looking for some good hi hat loop library's that dont have anything on the 2 and 4 beat (such as claps, snares, etc) obviously no kicks at all. I have always programmed my own hats but I want to start exploring and using hi hat patterns/loops that are different to what i'd program or even think of doing!

Can anyone give any advice about programming the percussive element of a beat. There are a lot of trance songs with really cool shaker grooves and ive tried to program shakers but they just sound like shit.

thanks,

Stylus RMX is excellent for this. It comes with a bunch of hihat and shaker loops, all of which are editable.

As for sequencing them, you should spend some time listening to how a good drrummer or hand percussionist plays them, paying particular attention to open/close, accents, and groove. There is no one-size-fits-all approach. Hard-quantizing them and using static velocities is guaranteed to kill any chance for a groove.

You're looking for top loops. MUB2 has some, but there should be some top loop only packs out. I saw one on Sounds to Sample. I think it was pretty cheap.

Re: hi hat loop library WITHOUT snares or claps

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Originally posted by madmuso Hey guys, I am looking for some good hi hat loop library's that dont have anything on the 2 and 4 beat (such as claps, snares, etc) obviously no kicks at all. I have always programmed my own hats but I want to start exploring and using hi hat patterns/loops that are different to what i'd program or even think of doing! Can anyone give any advice about programming the percussive element of a beat. There are a lot of trance songs with really cool shaker grooves and ive tried to program shakers but they just sound like shit. thanks,

nice post i had been thinking the same, just hat loops etc

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Originally posted by Beatflux You're looking for top loops. MUB2 has some, but there should be some top loop only packs out. I saw one on Sounds to Sample. I think it was pretty cheap.

dumb question, what is MUB2?

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Originally posted by cryophonik Stylus RMX is excellent for this. It comes with a bunch of hihat and shaker loops, all of which are editable. As for sequencing them, you should spend some time listening to how a good drrummer or hand percussionist plays them, paying particular attention to open/close, accents, and groove. There is no one-size-fits-all approach. Hard-quantizing them and using static velocities is guaranteed to kill any chance for a groove.

cool will check out stylus rmx. My brother is a drummer so I know what you mean and totaly agree about accents and how important they are to make a groove actualy groove and swing, especialy with 16th note stuff. I really wanna find a library that basicaly has loops that "isnt me" and that I can learn from if that makes sense, I find myself using my own technique too many times and its giving me the shits!

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Originally posted by cryophonik Stylus RMX is excellent for this. It comes with a bunch of hihat and shaker loops, all of which are editable.

One of the top purchases I need to make this summer. Already got Omni and Trillian, just waiting for the magic of Stylus now.

Stylus is one of the best tools ever made. It does so much more than play percussion loops.

Mutekki Ultimate Beats Vol 2

or just high pass, the top percussive elements give nice accents and drive to the loops, but for real, you rather program yourself.

I've never understood loop based music, it's like micro DJ'ing
just sample 4 or 5 loops you like, put them in Ableton and start pushing colours...... it's boring....

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Originally posted by Raphie or just high pass, the top percussive elements give nice accents and drive to the loops, but for real, you rather program yourself. I've never understood loop based music, it's like micro DJ'ing just sample 4 or 5 loops you like, put them in Ableton and start pushing colours...... it's boring....

A lot loops seem like they are meant to sound good on their own, but not along side other instruments. There are more loops out there that are separated now, but if you can make a song with these packed loops then good for you I say.

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Originally posted by Raphie or just high pass, the top percussive elements give nice accents and drive to the loops, but for real, you rather program yourself. I've never understood loop based music, it's like micro DJ'ing just sample 4 or 5 loops you like, put them in Ableton and start pushing colours...... it's boring....

you can make it fun tho, reverse some sections of the loop, mute others, nudge the start point by a 16th or 2, stretch a little piece of the loop, pitch up/down another section etc etc

@OP, some of the Thomas Penton libraries have hat loops, cant remember offhand what they are called tho

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Originally posted by evo8 @OP, some of the Thomas Penton libraries have hat loops, cant remember offhand what they are called tho

Essential Loops & Effects - has around 100 hihat loops IIRC.

Are the Penton loops dry? forgot to put that in the original post.
I had a listen to it and it sounds cool, I cant find any details on sounds to sample whether all the loops/effects are dry.

how about sidechaining loops? sounds really cool if theres a clap in there...

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Originally posted by cryophonik Essential Loops & Effects - has around 100 hihat loops IIRC.

yeah that sounds like the one

purchased the Thomas Penton essential loops and fx vol 2 last night.
Im a little disappointed.

Although a lot of the hi hat loops have some really cool things goin on, a majority of them have hits on the 2 and 4 downbeats (such as claps for example), a lot of them are also made up of "full loops" which have just been high passed so you can still hear the kicks.
This section of the library should be renames "hi hat loops with a dash of everything else".

The sound effects section again has some great stuff but most of the samples have reverb on them.

A lot of the percussion loops also have reverb on them, and there's a few which have noticeable increases in tape noise being present, to the point of almost being unusable.

To me it seems as though this pack has been somewhat thrown together.

oh well, you live and learn I guess,

Im sure his single hits sample libraries are better (hope so anyway).

any other options?

Throw the loop into ableton/exs24 or whatever sampler you may have. There is an option to slice audio to midi notes. It will map the slices to keyboard notes. You can then just get rid of the hits you don't like.

I just take the parts I like. I assume most people do these days. Most of the time they contain kicks/snares/claps. I'm sure I'm pointing out the obvious but maybe someone missed it, I mute the parts where the clap or kick is audible and sometimes replace it with other parts of the same loop to keep it flowing. At other times it is good to just keep the loop muted on the full counts so you can focus on the kick/clap impact and get a bit more space in your mix.

Iv been to lazy to edit loops, cut/slice etc. I should prob take it up, i normally just search til i find something that fits. I suppose the time i take searching i could just edit one!

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Originally posted by Storyteller I just take the parts I like. I assume most people do these days. Most of the time they contain kicks/snares/claps. I'm sure I'm pointing out the obvious but maybe someone missed it, I mute the parts where the clap or kick is audible and sometimes replace it with other parts of the same loop to keep it flowing. At other times it is good to just keep the loop muted on the full counts so you can focus on the kick/clap impact and get a bit more space in your mix.

gonna give it a go next time I need "top" half of rhythm section, great advice, thanks

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