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Posted by Guest on Nov-05-2011 19:54:

Do any pro-level house, tech house, techno djs mix with the cross fader?

I'm talking about volume up on both channels and just using the fader to blend.

If anyone has any insights into the technical styles of any djs that one might find surpring please include anecdotal evidence in your replies. Open thread, all ideas and contributions welcome.


Posted by Adam420 on Nov-05-2011 21:28:

I heard Kyle Hall does it

But he's no the best at mixing from what I know


Posted by srussell0018 on Nov-05-2011 21:49:

DJRYAN


Posted by meriter on Nov-05-2011 23:03:

I can't speak for the pros out there but in my own expeirence it's so much easier to keep the levels straight throughout your set if you mix with the crossfader set to the X curve or the slightly bowed setting. Just keep the volume sliders all the way up and adjust the gain/trim in your headphones and A/B to make sure the track you're bringing in is the same overall volume. As far as eq'ing that's just knowing your tracks.


Posted by corjay9 on Nov-05-2011 23:35:

All I gotta say is if you have the opportunity to catch Levon Vincent spin, watch him on the decks.. I've never seen anyone work the EQ knobs like him before. Straight cuts and slams, almost mixing house like a hip hop DJ.. it was impressive.


Posted by SYSTEM-J on Nov-06-2011 09:35:

Firstly, why are you asking a DJing question about "producers"?

Secondly, do you mean using the crossfader as opposed to keeping it central and using the up-faders? Using the cross-fader to blend is ill-advised, because it tends to result in a volume drop during the mix.


Posted by mehta on Nov-06-2011 11:35:

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Secondly, do you mean using the crossfader as opposed to keeping it central and using the up-faders? Using the cross-fader to blend is ill-advised, because it tends to result in a volume drop during the mix.


you can usually compensate for volume loss pretty easily with a good setup. there are lots of occasions for unbalanced blends using the crossfader in my opinion

but yes if you want a totally smooth mix the crossfader is the thing you have to avoid touching instead of fun toy


Posted by SYSTEM-J on Nov-06-2011 16:15:

It's still an ugly way of blending if you ask me, because you don't have complete control over the volume of each record in the mix.


Posted by meriter on Nov-06-2011 16:18:

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
It's still an ugly way of blending if you ask me, because you don't have complete control over the volume of each record in the mix.


you totally do that's why there are indicator dashes on the crossfader. And there's no jump or ducking in volume if you use the right curve


Posted by Rodri Santos on Nov-06-2011 16:20:

for dnb dubstep is ok but i feel that with a crossfader you have half of the precision you have with 2 faders.


Posted by SYSTEM-J on Nov-06-2011 16:22:

If you wanted, for example, Channel 1 to be at 100% volume but Channel 2 to be at 75%, how can you do that with the cross-fader?


Posted by meriter on Nov-06-2011 16:42:

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
If you wanted, for example, Channel 1 to be at 100% volume but Channel 2 to be at 75%, how can you do that with the cross-fader?


Percentages are an arbitrary thing when talking about loudness. You want to maintain 100% loudness overall all the time when mixing. The effect you're looking for can easily be achieved with the "constant power" or "slow fade" curve, where you can still bring in a track without lowering the volume of what's currently playing. With "intermediate" and "dipped" you do get unwanted fluctuation in volume.



Posted by nefardec on Nov-06-2011 17:09:

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Firstly, why are you asking a DJing question about "producers"?


Posted by Rodri Santos on Nov-06-2011 17:56:

what do you do if you are mixing 4 records?


Posted by sg_57 on Nov-06-2011 18:29:

Off the top of my head, Derrick May is a pretty good example of someone using crossfader wizardry to do things that just cannot be done otherwise...


Posted by bas on Nov-06-2011 19:32:

quote:
Originally posted by Rodri Santos
what do you do if you are mixing 4 records?

Change which side of the crossfader each channel corresponds to.


Posted by Trance-M on Nov-06-2011 20:36:

quote:
Originally posted by meriter
Just keep the volume sliders all the way up and adjust the gain/trim in your headphones and A/B to make sure the track you're bringing in is the same overall volume. As far as eq'ing that's just knowing your tracks.


My thoughts too, that's how I used to do it.


Posted by Guest on Nov-06-2011 22:51:

quote:
Originally posted by nefardec


I meant to say DJ's. I misspoke that's all.


Posted by Guest on Nov-07-2011 00:08:

quote:
Originally posted by meriter
Percentages are an arbitrary thing when talking about loudness. You want to maintain 100% loudness overall all the time when mixing. The effect you're looking for can easily be achieved with the "constant power" or "slow fade" curve, where you can still bring in a track without lowering the volume of what's currently playing. With "intermediate" and "dipped" you do get unwanted fluctuation in volume.




Good stuff. My mixer has constant power and intermediate. Just dicking around it appears intermediate suits me the best.


Posted by wotyzoid on Nov-07-2011 02:09:

quote:
Originally posted by Adam420
I heard Kyle Hall does it

But he's no the best at mixing from what I know



Posted by JakeC on Nov-08-2011 17:45:

That looks like the shittiest party ever.



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