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Automated transition from triplet to duplet

Hey all, quick question
In this song here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16PiV8IkEBw

the producer starts off in a nice tribal triplet time format, and if you listen enough into it (about 2.5 minutes), you will notice that he has a slow transition into duplet time with straight quarter notes.

How is this done? Personally I was thinking that he is automating the swing (From triplet w/ no swing, to duplet w/ max swing and slowly automated into no swing at all at the end of the phrase), but I have not had the opportunity to try it out. Have any of you guys tried something like this before, or at least have a clue on emulating it?

And btw, this is a completely underrated album if you guys haven't listened to it before. Psytrance at its absolute best.

Cheers!

so like man what you do is like go from the notes that are playing 8th note triplets in your daw and then like you go to 16 th notes in your daw. And then you like side chain your nexus with your sylenth.

is it really that difficult ? a swear a 10 year old could figure this out. If this is hard for you, stop involving your self with music other than buying others. just stop.

i mean you know what a fucking triplet is. You named the term. Google. And a duplet , which could also google is not what you think it is. Then take about 5 minutes, and mess with timing settings in your daw. So about 10 minutes you would have to invest. Seriously. What the fuck is wrong with you. You have a fancy fucking avatar but can't spend 10 minutes to figure something out that is so eas, you don't have to be a musician. You need the ability to count to 3 and 4. Can you count to 4 ? I'm also guessing you can count to 3.

Dude you obviously have no idea what I am talking about. Next time, before you make condescending douchebag statements, make sure you understand the topic at hand.

If there is anyone reading with any sort of musical backround and that isn't completely infantile, I would love to hear your suggestions about the effect I am referring to.

l4c, those are the kinds of posts that people bitch to you about whenever a fight breaks out and it becomes you vs us.

usually I defend you but back the fuck off, this is a help forum and it's not up to you to decide what's easy and what's not, especially considering how much you know compared to the rest of us. don't make people feel bad for trying to learn and utilizing a resource that's meant for that exact purpose.

you know what


there is a threshold, this passed it. Like that other post. Let me know you have a learning disabiliy or that you are just american and stupid. Please. I would love to have that context so i didn't have to shake my head and wonder what the fuck is wrong with the world. It isn't hard. If you can install a DAW, you have the brain capacity to figure this out. it is lazyness. And as much as I would love to be nice, this just pushes my fuck you asshole button.

And I will make people feel bad for asking stupid questions, Sorry. It is a character flaw and I wish i didn't have to react but I do.

Can you count to 4. If you can, this is something you can figure out on your own. If you can't , log out, google how to count. Leaern to count to 4. Figure it out.

I answer stupid questions all the time but they are not questions one would expect to know. But the fact that this asshole knows what a triplet or at least the term is and the fact that he has internet. No excuse. fuck him.

sorry for the language. kisses

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney so like man what you do is like go from the notes that are playing 8th note triplets in your daw and then like you go to 16 th notes in your daw. And then you like side chain your nexus with your sylenth. is it really that difficult ? a swear a 10 year old could figure this out. If this is hard for you, stop involving your self with music other than buying others. just stop. i mean you know what a fucking triplet is. You named the term. Google. And a duplet , which could also google is not what you think it is. Then take about 5 minutes, and mess with timing settings in your daw. So about 10 minutes you would have to invest. Seriously. What the fuck is wrong with you. You have a fancy fucking avatar but can't spend 10 minutes to figure something out that is so eas, you don't have to be a musician. You need the ability to count to 3 and 4. Can you count to 4 ? I'm also guessing you can count to 3.

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The technical explanation of the musical complexities of a clean time transition from triplet meter to duplet meter madates a significantly better answer than 'count to 4 retard lol'.

I don't understand why a reasonable question deserves the response you gave.

Based on this reaction, I can judge two things, that
a) you have no idea what I am referring to, and
b) even if you knew, you are simply not inept enough to tell me how to do it.

so for both of our sakes, please vacate this particular thread and let the musicians have big boy talk. Have fun with fruity loops, dick.

A: There is no triplet or duplet meter in the track. Google why.

B: It really is that simple. Can you count to 4 ? Can you count to 3. Hmmm, this group of notes seems to be 3 notes per kick instead of 4. You don't need to know the terminology. Now open your fucking manual, and search. Hmmm at one point , there is 3, then all of a sudden there is 4. But the kick is still the same speed. hmmm must have something to do wiht the timing of da notes. Maybe there is a section da manual that talks about this. IN fact i bet there is a button you can press that will change the da grid your DAW uses to control the note distribution.




this is you. At least what i hear when you write.

And if one was to decide how many times a group of black gangbangers in san quentin were to tickle your little asshole based on my knowledge of music given a linear relation, they would of drilled not just a whole thru your ass but past your throat in effect fucking a hole to china.

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Originally posted by DJ Roco The technical explanation of the musical complexities of a clean time transition from triplet meter to duplet meter madates a significantly better answer than 'count to 4 retard lol'. I don't understand why a reasonable question deserves the response you gave. Based on this reaction, I can judge two things, that a) you have no idea what I am referring to, and b) even if you knew, you are simply not inept enough to tell me how to do it. so for both of our sakes, please vacate this particular thread and let the musicians have big boy talk. Have fun with fruity loops, dick.

1. You clearly don't know who you're talking to.

2. You just alienated your only ally in this thread.

3. The song starts with a 6/4 time signature before transitioning to 4/4 beginning at 2:30, where there is an increase in tempo to account for the offset beats while maintaining the functionality of the main hook. The context of your question is flawed since triplets were never actually used, in the first place, and time-format isn't even a musical term. The fact is that you don't present with an understanding of music enough to appreciate the absolute fucking irony you're conjuring with your replies.

the track does not deviate from 4/4

one could argue 12/8 but the nature of meter must account for what academics call hyper meter which is a more macro look at how rhythms are repeated. Because the hypermeter is the traditional 8 bars , and the quarter note is clearly dominating the pulse, 4/4 would be the most obvious meter. The fact that you have a triplet pattern does not change the meter. Meter does not account for every single subdivision.

and that is why you only need to count to 4 to get this. It really is this simple. I am not being a dick. I am being a dick because you are just being lazy. So in fact , you are the dick. And by you i'm not talking to Eddie. Van Halen is cool in my books. I'm talking to dj go read a fucking book asshat quit making me write vulgarities what ever the fuck the rest of your dj alias is.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney the track does not deviate from 4/4

Why am I counting six beats in that beginning loop?






I stand corrected - just want to know why?


EDIT: NVM - You answered in the above post.

the meter is conflated at the beginning because you don't have that kick. But listen to when the kick is there, same pattern. If one was to notate this, you wouldn't change meters. Well not in this instance.

From about the 2:10 minute mark to around 2:30, the track goes from a straight 16th note feel to a swung 16th note feel and the change is gradual (listen to the divisions). So, yes, he is clearly automating the swing IMO.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney the meter is conflated at the beginning because you don't have that kick. But listen to when the kick is there, same pattern. If one was to notate this, you wouldn't change meters. Well not in this instance.

So essentially I erroneously counted the hyper-meter, ignoring the dominance of the kick to come to the wrong conclusion. And of course, what pisses me off is that once you explain it, I can fucking well hear it.





I will now indulge in self-soothing fantasy by imagining you tinkling away using Garage Band as your primary DAW on your Celeron powered lap-top.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker Why am I counting six beats in that beginning loop?

The same reason I was originally counting it in 3/4. Without the kick to anchor it, the accents can throw you off.

edit: I see that I'm like 10 minutes behind, as usual.

the track is in 4/4

the beginning is in 4/4. The same material is playing when the kick comes in. Nothing has changed/

I suppose there is about 3 seconds where you get a distortion of the triplet which would be like pushing the swing knob. I wouldn't say it is gradual. It isn't automated. The guy probably applied a different swing quantize for each quarter note. But if you were to look at his daw when he was making this , he was using 2 grids, one for triplets, one for 16th notes. When the transition is occurring, you aren't getting triplets anymore. He is using the 16th note grid and using quantization presets. I suppose I should of assumed people here get confused when something is not hard quantized. Oh nos, it isn't fallling on da beats. WWTD. what would tiesto do.

Either way , he used enough terms in my opinion to warrant an idiot cookie because it is clearly a lack of using google. He knows the terminology. He has the tools to google them. And i'm pretty certain he has 10 minutes to mess with his daw to figure this out.

Meters do not swing. They do not can not morph into another. You are in one, you are in both depending on your point of reference, but you don't transform into one. They are static. Time signatures unlike betterflies do not morph, evolve or mutate.

Perhaps my description in words of what I was hearing in the song did not accurately reflect what I was thinking in my head, this may also be why a forum/google search did not yield the correct answer to my question either.
I still do not think the question warranted a dick swinging contest, but I do appreciate the discussion afterwards. All I was looking for was a few suggestions.
Thank you for your time.

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Originally posted by DJ Roco The technical explanation of the musical complexities of a clean time transition from triplet meter to duplet meter madates a significantly better answer...

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Originally posted by DJ Roco please vacate this particular thread

please discontinue the excessive grandiloquence, good sir.

despite l4c's shitty response he does have a point, you're asking how to do something that's pretty simple and the fact that you couldn't figure it out on your own does say quite a bit about your work ethic. everyone here who's capable of making anything other than unfiltered garbage worked their asses off to get where they are, and having people ask questions like these is frustrating to those who have done far more difficult things on their own.

that could have been explained to you from the beginning, in a more civil manner, but oh well. live and learn I guess.

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Originally posted by Kysora despite l4c's shitty response he does have a point, you're asking how to do something that's pretty simple and the fact that you couldn't figure it out on your own does say quite a bit about your work ethic. everyone here who's capable of making anything other than unfiltered garbage worked their asses off to get where they are, and having people ask questions like these is frustrating to those who have done far more difficult things on their own.

I disagree. It was a fair question and I don't think that most people here could have answered it. Let's be honest, most electronica producers struggle with understanding musical concepts. They shouldn't be afraid to ask a simple question for fear of being lambasted by someone who has spent the better part of his life studying music. I subscribe to the "only stupid questions are the unasked ones" mindset. Also, as we all know, the Internet is full of misinformation, so a Google search is not always the most reliable way of getting answers. This forum has gotten so lame that half the threads here don't even get an on-topic response most of the time and just trail off into flamewars.

I just don't get what is so hard. There is a tutorial on how to do anything on youtube. People need to just figure shit out. Instead, you get people that hear something , and then ask how to do it. These sorts of people irritate me. If you asked me this in real life, my answer would be , pretend you have a gun to your head, the person is going to shoot you if you don't figure it out. You have 30 minuites. You can't ask anyone how to do it. On your mark get set .....

people just need everything handed to them in a gift basket. Not to mention the guy has never posted on here before. EDM producers are like little babies. GIMME GIMME GIMME. The scene has been idiot proofed to the point that you can just use loops and have a track released and make a hit. i mean it doesn't get much lamer than that.

granted looking back, the concept of shifting the swing is something I did not catch in the original question. So I was really a dick and I apologize. But when i am a dick, i try to at least make it clever that we can all laugh with or at me. So there you go. I apologize

You know l4c, you are the exact reason I dont post on these boards. Anytime I see a response from you [learning or not] I leave the post.
You obviously know what you are speaking of and people listen to you when you are constructive,composed and informative.
This guy did NOT come on here asking YOU specifically. This is an open forum and YOU did not have to respond.
Instead, you decided to make someone feel inferior, as you do in almost all your responses.
People from all walks and experience come here. Just because you have the talent and the ability doesnt mean others have your gift. Not to say they shouldnt do research but what if this is part of the research they are doing and only want to confirm? But no, you have to be a total [insert expletive here] about it.
Lighten up clooney, you take yourself way to serious. And for the love of eva mendez, if you dont have anything nice to say...dont say it at all.

He apologized. What more could you want from the internet.

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Originally posted by cryophonik They shouldn't be afraid to ask a simple question for fear of being lambasted by someone who has spent the better part of his life studying music.

oh I completely agree, I'm just trying to give a reason why l4c reacted the way he did. he wasn't being an ass for the sake of being an ass.. just tough love, I guess, it seems like most of the people here are a lot more touchy than most of the people l4c probably deals with on a professional basis. at least based on his stories.

he meets us halfway by responding in kind to legitimate questions that most people here would struggle answering.. and like beatflux said, he apologized, so there is that. don't get to see that every day.

See...what you guys are seeing when he "apologizes" is only one side and L4C knows this.
Me, I know better and wont have it.
An apology means you don't owe anybody anything. Saying "I am sorry" means you will do your best to not let it happen again the next time. It means you truly are wanting to be forgiven for an action or mistake.
Again...L4C is smarter and wont compromise his narcissistic nature.
Because the reality is, this isn't over. It will continue to happen just as it has in all other posts he has posted in. Mark my words.

Wow. What a soap opera.

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