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Posted by zGoogleman on Nov-13-2011 16:43:

I am reading your mind

quote:
(CNN) � �My thoughts, they roam freely. Who can ever guess them?�

So goes an old German folk song. But imagine living in a world where someone can guess your thoughts, or even know them for certain. A world where science can reach into the deep recesses of your brain and pull out information that you thought was private and inaccessible.

Would that worry you?

If so, then start worrying. The age of mind reading is upon us.

Neuroscience is advancing so rapidly that, under certain conditions, scientists can use sophisticated brain imaging technology to scan your brain and determine whether you can read a particular language, what word you are thinking of, even what you are dreaming about while you are asleep.

The research is still new, and the kinds of information scientists can find through brain imaging are still simple. But the recent pace of progress in neuroscience has been startling and new studies are being published all the time.

In one experiment, researchers at Carnegie Mellon looked at images of people�s brains when they were thinking of some common objects � animals, body parts, tools, vegetables � and recorded which areas of their brains activated when they thought about each object.

The scientists studied patterns of brain activity while subjects thought about 58 such objects. Then they predicted what the person�s brain would look like if researchers gave them a brand new object, like �celery.�

The scientists� predictions were surprisingly accurate.


http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/...ness/?hpt=hp_c1

Cor Version: You will be sucking my dick pretty soon, fagz.


Posted by EddieZilker on Nov-13-2011 16:45:

I can read your mind, too.








You want to fuck children.


Posted by zGoogleman on Nov-13-2011 16:55:

Says the guy with a pedophile as his avatar.

Bro, I am going to rape you.


Posted by [N]�k|��[Z] on Nov-13-2011 16:56:

quote:
Originally posted by EddieZilker
I can read your mind, too.








You want to fuck children.


no that was my mind


Posted by EddieZilker on Nov-13-2011 17:10:

quote:
Originally posted by zGoogleman
Says the guy with a pedophile as his avatar.

Bro, I am going to rape you.


http://www2.tranceaddict.com/forums...943&forumid=16&

That will never happen, forum gimp. You are thought of as a marginalized, misanthropic, sexual deviant whose charm is completely outmatched by how badly he wants to be charming. You sir, are inadequate. You might have an elaborate fantasy life but it is only elaborate to compensate for your very real short-comings.


Posted by zGoogleman on Nov-13-2011 17:35:

quote:
Originally posted by EddieZilker
http://www2.tranceaddict.com/forums...943&forumid=16&

That will never happen, forum gimp. You are thought of as a marginalized, misanthropic, sexual deviant whose charm is completely outmatched by how badly he wants to be charming. You sir, are inadequate. You might have an elaborate fantasy life but it is only elaborate to compensate for your very real short-comings.
ok.


Posted by Vector A on Nov-13-2011 17:56:

I am not quite sure what to make of this. Were the researchers doing something like this?:

(1) Scan each person's brain as they look at certain things, creating a "roster" of scans for that individual. Then try to match up one of the initial scans with a later scan of that same individual and use that to "guess" what that particular person is seeing.

Or more like this?:

(2) Scan all the people's brains as they look at certain things. Use the collection of scans to make generalizations about which parts of the brain are activated by which objects. Then use those generalizations to guess what any individual is seeing (i.e. you need not know the person's identity to guess accurately).

The second seems more impressive, and more ominous, to me, while the first seems like more ordinary, incremental improvement of brain scanning techniques.


Posted by mathieu on Nov-13-2011 18:08:

hey googleman what do you think of my new wiz khalifa remix?




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Posted by Direct on Nov-13-2011 18:19:

quote:
Originally posted by EddieZilker
http://www2.tranceaddict.com/forums...943&forumid=16&


To that thread hell yes I would. Theres this fine little truffle about 14 or 15 who walks by to and from the bus stop that looks similar to Mila Kunis. Im thinking about getting a coloring book and inviting her over.


Posted by Vector A on Nov-13-2011 18:24:

quote:
Originally posted by Direct
To that thread hell yes I would. Theres this fine little truffle about 14 or 15 who walks by to and from the bus stop that looks similar to Mila Kunis. Im thinking about getting a coloring book and inviting her over.

I think you may have the wrong age bracket in mind.


Posted by itsamemario on Nov-13-2011 18:57:

quote:
Originally posted by Direct
To that thread hell yes I would. Theres this fine little truffle about 14 or 15 who walks by to and from the bus stop that looks similar to Mila Kunis. Im thinking about getting a coloring book and inviting her over.


14 or 15 hell no. Past 16 is okay by law and ok by me. Not that I'd ever find a 16 year old girl willing to fuck me, so then no? But yes.

And mind reading with a machine telling you exactly what thought one mind has is cheating. All real mind readers do it by ear, and should be able to feel it. Mind reading is done by ear, not by eyes! I teach a class on this, I know what I'm talking about.


Posted by EddieZilker on Nov-13-2011 19:31:

quote:
Originally posted by Direct
To that thread hell yes I would. Theres this fine little truffle about 14 or 15 who walks by to and from the bus stop that looks similar to Mila Kunis. Im thinking about getting a coloring book and inviting her over.


Considering you have the mentality of a thirteen year-old, this isn't exactly a jaw-dropping surprise.


Posted by pozz on Nov-13-2011 19:40:

quote:
Originally posted by Vector A
I am not quite sure what to make of this. Were the researchers doing something like this?:

(1) Scan each person's brain as they look at certain things, creating a "roster" of scans for that individual. Then try to match up one of the initial scans with a later scan of that same individual and use that to "guess" what that particular person is seeing.

Or more like this?:

(2) Scan all the people's brains as they look at certain things. Use the collection of scans to make generalizations about which parts of the brain are activated by which objects. Then use those generalizations to guess what any individual is seeing (i.e. you need not know the person's identity to guess accurately).

The second seems more impressive, and more ominous, to me, while the first seems like more ordinary, incremental improvement of brain scanning techniques.


(2) is more likely. it would only work for a very specific group of individuals though. the parts of the brain that are activated by perceiving objects change depending on the status of that object. here's an example: i can't remember her named and am arsed to look it up, but there is a chess grandmaster living in the czech republic who participating in a series of brain scans to see how it is that she was so good at the game. the section of her brain that normally identifies faces in other individuals now activates when she is looking at a chessboard, so that a given configuration is registered like a "face".

it would be really likely that this kind of thing only works if your sample of subjects are people similar to each other in most respects, including emotional response, level of education, political views, etc. if you start including a wide variety of individuals, the results are going to get fucked. however, what would be really fucked/ominous is if this was (1) true across the board for almost all individual, so maybe 80% of brain function always correlates; or (2) they could predict a quotient of neuroplasticity, including which other parts of the brain could be activated instead.

either way, fucked. but also largely pointless. what are they gonna do if they scan for "resentment" and "murderous impulses" and come up positive? jail you? fuck that. gonna be jailing the entire population.

what if they scan for "love" and come up positive? they gonna be a match-making service?


Posted by Vector A on Nov-13-2011 19:50:

Yeah, there would be serious problems with using it in a legal context. I guess they might want to use it as an interrogation tool or something. Or maybe just to manipulate suspects by intimidating them with a supposedly "omniscient" technology. All in all...


Posted by jonSun on Nov-13-2011 20:07:

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