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Amd Or Intel

For my Audio Appliactions like Reason and Samplitude( but later perhaps Cubase ) I am considering a new board with a cpu at least as twice as fast as my Intel Celeron with 600Mhz...

Which AMD / Intel do you recommened for me ?

Trancevision

it depends on how much you can spend


just tell me how much you have and I'll check it up

There's no debate that AMD make a better processor, they just can't keep up speed wise to Intel.

To me, there's always 2 issues to look at. Price and Heat production. Intel CPUs cost a lot more than AMD CPUs but tend to run a lot cooler even with a stock heatsink, in retrospect AMD CPUs are cheap and fast but do produce quite a bit of heat, stock heatsink or not.

Keep in mind that any amount you spend for a P4 (Unless its the new 2.8ghz p4s), you could buy an athlon for cheaper and it could outperform it. You could also buy a 1.6A P4 which sould be cheap now and o/c it 2.2 or 2.4 with no hassles (stock cooling).

I dont know much about all theys other prosessor. I'll be geting my P4 2ghz this weekend (i might be scraping the heatsink for watercooling)

anyway i will let you guys know how cubase runs on it, eather way it will run better then on my P1 233mhz.

Ian

Im getting my new pc this weekend, well the box, processor, ram and motherboard. Iv got at the mo a P3 450 which i run reaon 2 and cubase 5 alongside each other using rewire. I also have a virus being played into a delta 44 in realtime. This really shouldnt work on such a slow machine but somehow it manages it.

This weekend tho for �500 im getting an AMD XP 2200 with a gig of DDR ram, ill keep you informed of how it performs.

Uhm....

God works shit!!!

Got ma comp yesterday, bin trying to put it together, spent 3 hours trying to work out why it just beeped at me when i turned it on. Turns out the twats that put it together hadnt pushed the graphics card in properly, twats.

I can spend a maximum of 200 Euro for upgrading my Celeron 600Mhz.
Problems: I need new Ram ( 128 Mb at least ), a new midi card, ( I got ISA Bus for my old Soundcard ), and a new motherboard...
A AMD processor means getting a stronger power suply...

Any ideas ?

Trancevision

Thats a tall order, i dont think you can, rekon you'll need at least double that.

AMD Durons are very good for the money, they are nearly as powerful as an equally speed-rated Pentium III.

athlon will stomp the pizz out of any intel you throw @ it...

just get you a farkin phat heatsink...

current rigup i use::
athlon xp 2000+
1024mb ddr pc2700 333mhz
ata/133 80.0gig hd **maxtor rocks
40x12x48x cdrw
52x cdrom
ati radeon 9000 pro 64mb ddr vid
m-audio delta 1010
6 usb 2.0 ports
2 firewire ports

my comp has never exceeded 88 degrees F...super cool w/ a volcano 5 heatsink & spreader on the memory

for your budget, get AMD athlon.

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Originally posted by lexiconavenue current rigup i use:: athlon xp 2000+ 1024mb ddr pc2700 333mhz ata/133 80.0gig hd **maxtor rocks 40x12x48x cdrw 52x cdrom ati radeon 9000 pro 64mb ddr vid m-audio delta 1010 6 usb 2.0 ports 2 firewire ports my comp has never exceeded 88 degrees F...super cool w/ a volcano 5 heatsink & spreader on the memory

farkin sweet, lexiconave i wouldn't use a maxtor hard drive though, seagate and IBM are lots more reliable.

actually, the pentium 4's outperform the athlon xp's in most applicatoins.

http://www17.tomshardware.com/cpu/0...p4_2800-04.html

although, the athlon has more raw power, intel's chips are just too fast now for AMD to compete until they release their new chips.

Arent AMDs easier to over clock? Iv got an XP2200 and its fast enough for me and is very stable.

Intel CPU's work way better for audio work then the AMD counterparts.

My current set up...

Computer:
Intel P3 800mHz
Asus CUV-4X Motherboard
576 Megs of PC133 RAM
Riva TNT2 64Mb Video Card
Western Digital 20Gb 7200 RPM Hard Drive
Sony CDR 4x CD Writer
Sony CD 24x CD-ROM
19" Monitor
Opcode DAT Port (Digital Interface)

Pro Audio Gear:
Tascam DA20mkII (Pro DAT Recorder)
Marantz CDR630 (Pro CD Recorder)
Fostex DP8 (Digital Patch Bay)

I am currently running Win98 bare bones. Recording/mastering software in use is Steinberg WaveLab.

Everything is done digitally, except for the original recording, so there is no loss of signal.

This set up has proven to be a fantastic recording/production studio. If anyone wants to contact me further, please do so.

Darryl
aka Dj Heavy
http://djheavy.cjb.net
[email protected]

Currently I'm using a AMD 1.33 T-Bird with 512 sdram and it satisfys my needs...I'm useing fruity with about 3 to 5 VSTi and a buch of FX on easch son and its not hurting the processor....I had a 1.8 P4 with 512 DDR and I noticed that it encoded MP3 quicker with cool edit...I had a problem with the P4 and 98se and using fruity....solved it whe upgraded to me...Thats my 2 cents

Re: Amd Or Intel

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Originally posted by Trancevision For my Audio Appliactions like Reason and Samplitude( but later perhaps Cubase ) I am considering a new board with a cpu at least as twice as fast as my Intel Celeron with 600Mhz... Which AMD / Intel do you recommened for me ? Trancevision

It's all much of a muchness these days. I think you would be happy with either. You get more for your money from an AMD chip though...at least you do where i'm from.

It's got fark all to do with the CPU and EVERYTHING to do with the chipset. Intel chipsets are very stable so audio production and intel go well together even though intel are actually slower then AMD (AMD have released a 2800+ which kicks intel bottom). If you're going to get an AMD pair it with a stable and reliable chipset/motherboard combo like the Nvidia Nforce2 which has dual DDR ram channels and is stable and fast as.

I'm using a

Xp2000+ overclocked from 1.667Ghz to 1.8Ghz
512mb DDR ram
Asus A7V266-E
60 + 15 GB ATA 100 HDD
Geforce3 Ti 128mb
Live! running modified drivers for studio production and 5ms latencies using VST
Intel PRO100 NIC

Sorry tranzmit, but thats bull . I have no idea were you get your info but maybe you didn't realize that AMD only has a 2600. The 2800 hasn't even hit the market yet not even for hardware testing. Intel just came out with a P4/2800 chipset @2.8 ghz , with 533 FSB and 512 L2 cache. AMD still uses 133 or 166 on the FSB wich really makes a diference. If you dont believe me i got proof. All the tests show intel is on top.

http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/02q3/020826/

AMD is going to have to pull something outta there ass to take over the speed race now :P

Right, iv got an XP2200 and quite fancy overclocking it Is there any useful sites where i can go or any advice anyone wants to give me? Cheers.

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Originally posted by xfer Sorry tranzmit, but thats bull . I have no idea were you get your info but maybe you didn't realize that AMD only has a 2600. The 2800 hasn't even hit the market yet not even for hardware testing. Intel just came out with a P4/2800 chipset @2.8 ghz , with 533 FSB and 512 L2 cache. AMD still uses 133 or 166 on the FSB wich really makes a diference. If you dont believe me i got proof. All the tests show intel is on top. http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/02q3/020826/ AMD is going to have to pull something outta there ass to take over the speed race now :P

Where did i get my information? Oh thats right i'm a computer hardware technician! lol

Ok the reason why I'm saying the AMD is better for audio production is because even though the P4 has higher clock frequencies and as such higher fsb's and consequently higher bandwidth the P4 was initially designed as a great processor but to cut costs they castrated the FPU of the chip which is where the Athlon excels, also realise that the P4 has 20 pipelines compared to the athons 10 which means the Athlon is doing twice the work of a P4 and because it's got so many pipes it's got a big problem with branch mispredictions but thats what you have to put up with. AMD have released the 2800+ but unfortunately not in bulk but i believe alienware have been assigned some for their high end machines.

The AMD Hammer being released soon will bring x86-64 bit computing as well as higher fsb's and the best memory controllers in the industry as it's being built on die. I suggest you do some reasearch on CPU architecture to help you understand exactly what you want out of a processor and whats good for you and your software

A review of the 2800+ and Nforce 2

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Originally posted by Tom_cowan Right, iv got an XP2200 and quite fancy overclocking it Is there any useful sites where i can go or any advice anyone wants to give me? Cheers.

I don't recommend it for the beginner but if you do want to continue then do so at your own risk.

since you're at the top of the thoroughbread "A" stepping (Athlon XP) you're going to be running very hot unless you've got good cooling. This is VERY important as heat is a big problem with the 2200's.

Go into the bios of your motherboard at boot and (i'm assuming you have a motherboard capable of fsb adjustment) change the fsb from 133 up to say 145 and restart the machine. See if it can POST properly and boot into windows and run it for an hour stable. If problems occur then either lower the fsb down a bit or adjust some of the memory timings (For example reduce cas latency a bit). If stable then go back to the bios and increase the fsb up a few more. Remember that increasing your FSB will run your memory and peripherals like AGP card, hard drives, NIC, all your PCI cards at higher speeds then designed for so find a balance.

I'd recommend you change the multiplier of the CPU but it's a 2200+ here so that isn't necessary and unlocking Athlons isn't for the faint of heart.

if you want to continue then read this

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Originally posted by xfer ...AMD still uses 133 or 166 on the FSB wich really makes a diference. If you dont believe me i got proof. All the tests show intel is on top....

harhar..
everybody in there right mind knows that amd is reliable power and intel is just unstable speed. amd's quantispeed architecture can run circles around pentium's when it comes to pure application-based processing power...

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Originally posted by Tranzmit I don't recommend it for the beginner but if you do want to continue then do so at your own risk. since you're at the top of the thoroughbread "A" stepping (Athlon XP) you're going to be running very hot unless you've got good cooling. This is VERY important as heat is a big problem with the 2200's. Go into the bios of your motherboard at boot and (i'm assuming you have a motherboard capable of fsb adjustment) change the fsb from 133 up to say 145 and restart the machine. See if it can POST properly and boot into windows and run it for an hour stable. If problems occur then either lower the fsb down a bit or adjust some of the memory timings (For example reduce cas latency a bit). If stable then go back to the bios and increase the fsb up a few more. Remember that increasing your FSB will run your memory and peripherals like AGP card, hard drives, NIC, all your PCI cards at higher speeds then designed for so find a balance. I'd recommend you change the multiplier of the CPU but it's a 2200+ here so that isn't necessary and unlocking Athlons isn't for the faint of heart. if you want to continue then read this

My FSB maximum is 133 but im guesing i can get a different bios to run it higher. Is there ne way to know whether the processor is overheating? (other than waiting for smoke to start pouring out)

Cheers for the help

I had a look at the tutorial thing, now it looks like i cant do the FSB thing coz im running 266MHz ram and i think it would break if i run it ne faster(correct me if im wrong). So i looked at changing the multiplier and its obviously possible but as im running a 2200 the heat generated would be emmense if i overclocked it. Let me just get one thing straight, if i overclock it and it overheats whats gonna happen? Is it just gonna freeze or totally break? Cheers again.

Oh yeah, are there any places which review fans? Or does nebody know a good fan to get?

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