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HEY Y'ALL, NEW TRANCE TRACK NEED FEEDBACK: starv - ????????

This is a little ditty I've done up. It's not polished, and I have no clue what I'm doing but I'm enjoying teaching myself a bit about daws and whatever other VST / computer malarky. Just looking for some feedback to help the process along.

starv - ??????? (rough_draft) by starveling

Go nuts.

I like the bit before the drums start, that has a real 1970's esoteric quality to it. Seems like you have a good sense of sound, enjoy the ride.

I like it. Judging from the songs you tout in Music Discussion, it's something I would expect from you, as a producer. Still sounds like you're developing it and it seems like you worked yourself into a corner, in the end.

My only criticism is with the kicks, as they seem a little muddy. I'm one to talk as mine tend to have a certain (often unintentional) opacity to them, as well, but you might look at shelving and cutting the bass on them, rolling forward. I genuinely like what you've started, though.

Thanks guys, I'm really enjoying even the really rudimentary stuff I've been working on. It seems to get a lot easier the more time you spend with the software. I'd like to some day play around with some hardware.

Nice, I really love this type of music. The opening sounds are great, with that little noise/dust sound to it. Really good programming of the cymbals at the end, sounds hypnotic. Looking forward to hearing the finished product.

if you want my professional opinion; it definitely needs some more dj ryan.

Definitely does.

I'm really liking what I hear with this so far, sounds like you have a fair idea on what you're doing. Do kind of agree with Eddie on the kicks, they're pretty heavy on the lows to my ears but apart from that it's sounding great and would love to hear where you go with this eventually.

thanks for the feedback guys. When I relisten to it I really dislike it, but that always happens with me when I work on projects. I basically reset all the channel levels and shit so I can do a mixdown on what I've got. Been doing a lot of reading on levels and stuff like that which is helping, and just having to go back and retool certain things and samples is helping a lot as well.

like it man

I actually don't have a problem with the kick being to muddy. It fits in this kind of mix. I would in fact suggest you to dampen the hihats a bit, especially the ones that come in on 2:50.

Other than that, I kinda liked it. If it was put in the right context, I would even go as far as to call it great.

cool man. i don't have any advice or anything, you made something really nice as far as i'm concerned.

new version!

starv - ?????? (rough draft ver. 2) by starveling

I pretty much changed... almost everything?

BUMP. FUCK.

Changed it? They're two completely different songs. Similar sounds - yes, but there ends the similarity. Keep working on the first one. Don't abandon this one, either.

Who's the audience you want for this? I'm not really sure where you want to take this (these) tunes and I don't want to tell you to work on your rhythm section because it's got this crowded dark-room vibe when you only really want the guy on the bus to be bobbing his head on his morning commute.

Whether you are a DJ or a student of this exciting format of music, a list of top trance tracks can come in quite handy. this is a nice track. I really like it.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker Changed it? They're two completely different songs. Similar sounds - yes, but there ends the similarity. Keep working on the first one. Don't abandon this one, either. Who's the audience you want for this? I'm not really sure where you want to take this (these) tunes and I don't want to tell you to work on your rhythm section because it's got this crowded dark-room vibe when you only really want the guy on the bus to be bobbing his head on his morning commute.

I actually don't have the first anymore. I've been using this piece as a kind of "experimentation ground" for Ableton and production in general. I really need to wrap this up and move onto something else though, I think.

I'm not really going for an audience at all, at least it wasn't something I was consciously thinking about while putting this together.

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Originally posted by enydo I actually don't have the first anymore. I've been using this piece as a kind of "experimentation ground" for Ableton and production in general. I really need to wrap this up and move onto something else though, I think.

While I completely understand needing to move on, I highly recommend not to ever make such drastic changes without a back-up again, and get used to saving source files in iterations. From start to finish, I usually wind up with between five and eight source files for each song. Personally, I'm predicting in a year, you're going to hear the tune you abandoned in that first version and have some regret about not seeing that through to completion. It was seriously that good and I think it's a casualty of your temporarily lost perspective. Fortunately, creativity isn't a limited resource and I'm certain you'll be coming up with more cool shit.

If you're getting really tired of this tune and feel like you have to wrap it up so you can move onto something else, put it away and actually work on something else, for a while. I've got three songs going at a time and I rotate from one to the other, depending on where my attention is drawn. When I'm stuck on one, completely out of ideas to add to it, I open another file and am sometimes surprised at the headway I'm able to make on the second tune. The last two completed songs I put on soundcloud were finished that way.

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Originally posted by enydo I'm not really going for an audience at all, at least it wasn't something I was consciously thinking about while putting this together.

I can tell you I wanted to hear a little more percussion (both progression and complexity) and that the kick pattern was a little too sparse. The kick on the first was a little better than the kick on the second. More progression overall seems called for, as well, but I wouldn't discard what you have down, already.

That's just judging by what I want to hear in your tracks and I'm not super-imposing some mind for a venue/audience sort of thinking on my opinion. Given my preferences, it would be something I could both dance or chill out to though. It's difficult to hear everything going on in the mix, via soundcloud, but overall, it sounded fairly clean. Put this tune down and on the back-burner. Start something new. I'm definitely looking forward to hearing more.


EDIT: Clarity

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Originally posted by EddieZilker If you're getting really tired of this tune and feel like you have to wrap it up so you can move onto something else, put it away and actually work on something else, for a while. I've got three songs going at a time and I rotate from one to the other, depending on where my attention is drawn. When I'm stuck on one, completely out of ideas to add to it, I open another file and am sometimes surprised at the headway I'm able to make on the second tune. The last two completed songs I put on soundcloud were finished that way.

Really good advice there. I know I personally hit walls creatively with some tracks, put them down, then sometimes later an idea just clicks in my head and I can come back and make progress. I also usually have 3-4 tracks I'm working on at once and I find trying to be diverse keeps things fresh and keeps me motivated.
That said I've also had quite few tracks that I've completely abandoned but mostly because they were crap.

Some really great advice that I completely understand. Thanks guys.

The one thing i would say is that the hissing sounds to me did not work with the other elements in the track. Additionally, I feel that it was building up to point in which I was expecting a better kick and more rhythm to come in but it never did. It feels very much like you are trying to do an underworld type song, and to me its a great start, but what you are missing is a signature kick or rhythm to get everyone moving. Great start though!

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