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Posted by Joss Weatherby on Jan-08-2012 18:31:

The Myth of Japan's Failure

Good article!

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/08/o...ic-success.html

quote:
DESPITE some small signs of optimism about the United States economy, unemployment is still high, and the country seems stalled.

Time and again, Americans are told to look to Japan as a warning of what the country might become if the right path is not followed, although there is intense disagreement about what that path might be. Here, for instance, is how the CNN analyst David Gergen has described Japan: �It�s now a very demoralized country and it has really been set back.�

But that presentation of Japan is a myth. By many measures, the Japanese economy has done very well during the so-called lost decades, which started with a stock market crash in January 1990. By some of the most important measures, it has done a lot better than the United States.

Japan has succeeded in delivering an increasingly affluent lifestyle to its people despite the financial crash. In the fullness of time, it is likely that this era will be viewed as an outstanding success story.

How can the reality and the image be so different? And can the United States learn from Japan�s experience?



Posted by enydo on Jan-08-2012 18:35:

You should move there.


Posted by Joss Weatherby on Jan-08-2012 18:41:

LOL I would if I could, but unless you marry a Japanese person there is no real good way to move there forever.


Posted by EddieZilker on Jan-08-2012 18:44:

Thanks, Nou.


Posted by enydo on Jan-08-2012 18:47:

quote:
Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
LOL I would if I could, but unless you marry a Japanese person there is no real good way to move there forever.


Ah, that's a shame. There's no way any chick on that island would go near you.


Posted by srussell0018 on Jan-08-2012 18:48:


Posted by Joss Weatherby on Jan-08-2012 18:49:

quote:
Originally posted by enydo
Ah, that's a shame. There's no way any chick on that island would go near you.



Posted by srussell0018 on Jan-08-2012 18:49:

I bet Nou can drink like 8 gallons of sake in one sitting though. And not even throw up!


Posted by Joss Weatherby on Jan-08-2012 18:49:

Don't really like Sake tbh. Too thick.


Posted by Vector A on Jan-08-2012 18:53:

The "Who has bigger towers?" question is meaningless and silly (not least because Japan is basically forced to build upward due to lack of space). Otherwise good article, though.


Posted by EddieZilker on Jan-08-2012 18:56:

quote:
Originally posted by Vector A
The "Who has bigger towers?" question is meaningless and silly (not least because Japan is basically forced to build upward due to lack of space). Otherwise good article, though.



We only recently caught up to them in the monsters category, with the release of Cloverfield.


Posted by srussell0018 on Jan-08-2012 18:59:





Game over.


Posted by nchs09 on Jan-08-2012 19:03:

Oh.. another thing about Japan i dont care about.


Posted by Desiderata on Jan-08-2012 19:06:

In Nous defense there his a whole subculture of Japanese women that love men who play video games as it is legitimately a profession there and almost comparable to Chess in post Russia(well maybe that's a bit of an exaggeration). If he does happen to accomplish what he is doing, he might actually be desirable there.


Posted by Vector A on Jan-08-2012 19:07:

Breast cup size at the population level is mostly a proxy for how fat the country is. Of course countries with plenty of fatties will have larger cup sizes. Although it is interesting that the Scandinavians have large breasts despite not being very fat.


Posted by Chris Crossland on Jan-08-2012 19:32:

quote:
Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Don't really like Sake tbh. Too thick.


LOL how is sake thick?


Posted by Joss Weatherby on Jan-08-2012 20:05:

quote:
Originally posted by Chris Crossland
LOL how is sake thick?


When its cold, its thicker than potato vodka. At least most of the Sake I have had.

I don't know. Just never got a taste for it.


Posted by wienerschnitzel on Jan-08-2012 20:07:

lol


Posted by srussell0018 on Jan-08-2012 20:08:

How does it compare Hungry Man Dinner gravy?


Posted by nchs09 on Jan-08-2012 20:09:

Or just man gravy.


Posted by Chris Crossland on Jan-08-2012 22:32:

quote:
Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
When its cold, its thicker than potato vodka. At least most of the Sake I have had.

I don't know. Just never got a taste for it.


Ahh I always drank hot sake. While in Japan I drank more sake than water! lol


Posted by tubularbills on Jan-08-2012 22:39:

That picture is kind of odd....why compare buildings? as if that's a sign of how great of a country you are? Also, I find it odd that they compared the Tokyo Tower to the World Trade Center...why not compare it to an existing building/structure? if you're going by if you have a tall structure, you have a good country, then the UAE should be #1 with the Burj Kalifa. Just an odd thing to mention, imo


Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Jan-08-2012 22:45:

I notice they didn�t refer to japan�s massive national debt?


Posted by _Ocean_Drive_ on Jan-08-2012 23:25:

quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
I notice they didn�t refer to japan�s massive national debt?


Or any other glaring issues for that matter. Good grief, I don't even know where to begin. Japan is in complete dis-array at the moment.

There's TEPCO (a story in itself), and the clean-up op involving the yaks (the shutdown of Fukushima Dai-ichi alone is gonna take around 40 years). Then there's corruption in the politics (amakudari) and the corporate world (Olympus)

I love Japan, but it fails on billions of things. Live there for a few years and you'll come to understand. Or simply go check out Debito.

I'm not quite sure why you even started this thread in the first place, but for all of Japan's successes, there are a million more things where it's just a case of 'shoganai' and not actually bothering to REALLY solve any of its problems. And it does have problems. BIG problems.


Posted by Lira on Jan-08-2012 23:42:

Japan is doing great. Yeah, right.

The only reason why "Westerners try to belittle" Japan is because of weeasbos who think that place is Heaven on Earth. No country is perfect.

Except, of course, for Sweden. Sweden is superior.
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Originally posted by srussell0018

My points stands


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