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I find it frustrating that when you are listening to a podcast , the dj doesn't imbed the track list so if you like a track, you can buy it. Are djs still that insecure that they have to hide their cards ?

I mean it should be set up, i hear a track, i click on something, it brings me to itunes, and i buy it in less than 1 minute. I mean it is insane how much more revenue producers would make. For one, you are selling to real people. not djs so the market is huge.

I mean i just don't get why the dance seems to be run by idiots.

And imagine if there was a way to track which dj made people buy a track, they can get some sort of revenue as well.

I mean there is so much money that is not being made because people don't make it easy for others to spend.

It could be because a lot of DJ's don't know how to embed track titles. Remember, many Dj's are not tech savvy and don't know how podcasts actually work. They think that they can just make an MP3 recording, upload it somewhere, and call it a day.

Back when Dance Department first started, that was one of the features I really liked about their podcast. Even though it was a 1 hr mix, it showed you the track titles as the mix went on.

well record labels should start sending cease and desist letters. Honestly, it is the least you can do as a dj. IF you aren't supporting the artist you are playing, you really should go fuck yourself. It isn't hard. It isn't tech savy. It takes about 5 minutes.

Djs don't do it because they have this insecurity and this fucked up sense that they own those tracks and anyone else that has it will diminish the value of their precious track.

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I find it's extremely rare that DJs don't put their tracklists online for podcasts. In fact, an awful lot of DJs whore out their own record labels and productions and still don't embed the tracklistings, so your sweeping generalisation is quite clearly bullshit.

lol

I did know this was even possible to do. A quick search through google did not result in a description on how this could be accomplished. Perhaps you (or anyone else) can point me in the right direction?

You clearly have never attempted to get a podcast up and running. There are websites like Mixcloud that link each track to a buy link but this site is limited in it's scope ie. only allows 100mb worth of music per podcast. not great if you... like me... like to put our 3, 4, or 5 hour mixes each month. and no i don't know how to embed something like that in a Soundcloud track list. if i did i'd do it. but you talk about supporting artists???? i buy all the music i put in my podcasts, and publish the music out to hundreds of potential buyers for the artists without asking anything in return and pay out for a soundcloud account out of my own pocket... so don't talk to me about supporting artists

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Search podcast + chapters.

Not only can you imbed the track being played at the moment but can also ad the actual album art. It is ridiculously easy. Having a tracklist with no actual time values is pointless. Not to mention most people are not listening at home.

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Buying an mp3 is supporting an artist. Having a public podcast is not only illegal but in most cases, especially when you aren't really funnelling people to actually buy the record in no way supportive. Labels would send you a cease and desist if they had the means and money. As a no name dj, which you all are, your mixes really are not helping sales. So no. Not only are you breaking the law, you really aren't helping the artist.

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Guess why so many producers, most likely awful djs actually dj ? Because of low sales. So this is in your interest. Having high sales will probably make it possible for djs , that are great djs able to make grounds without having to be a producer.

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System J, Can the condescending piety for someone that isn't me. You say that actual labels don't imbed and this is sort of how ridiculous the dance scene is. It is run by morons supported by morons ignoring so many potential revenues not just for producers but say a refering fee for djs that have a mix, have the tracks imbeded , and have some system in place so that say dj FuckFace ends up sending 100 people to itunes because of their mixes. they get a certain cut.

E: Paying for hosting ? Ya its called promotion. As a dj, who isn't a producer that has tracks that seperate you from the dross of djs that do what anyone can do, you are going to have to market yourself a little more so if you think 20$ for an account is unreasonable, well fuck me. And believe it or not, having this information imbedded is actually what most people want. They like it. It will make you stand out. It makes you look good, it helps the artists that are stealing your job because nobody is buying their music and if people would fucking step back and look at the logistics, i mean it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the logic.

F: finally, and this one is for system j. Quit being such an aggressive ass. And for the sake of posterity, generalizations are sweeping. That is the nature of a generalization. Rather redundant in many ways similar to when you decide to opine where your ultimate goal is to school someone. I mean redundant for different reasons but ya, you need to stop acting like you invented djing. You are a nobody. And that is fine. In fact i think you are probably alot nicer than you let on. But how you attack a post that deals with a real issue among the shit that gets posted here, well i have to wonder what your fucking deal is.

this bickering is pointless.

Do you have any self-awareness at all? In this thread you've labelled people as "idiots" and "morons" and invited people to "go fuck themselves", and you're telling me to stop being aggressive? You stride around this forum with your dick in your hand, constantly insulting DJs and producers alike, making idiotic generalisations that clearly don't stand up to the slightest bit of scrutiny. It doesn't take much intelligence to work out that in the DJ Booth section, most of the people reading are going to be DJs, so when you make fuckwit slurs against everyone, don't be surprised when people bite back.

I don't frankly give a fuck if you think I'm a "nobody". You wouldn't believe the people I know and the contacts I have if I told you, anyway. I'd love to tell you about the phone conversation I had just this afternoon, but I'm not going to name drop and compromise relations just to prove a point to someone on a forum. There are people on this forum who are personal friends with some of the biggest DJs in the world, and you wouldn't have a clue because they don't parade it around in public. It makes me laugh that you can't stop bragging about being some industry guy in LA.

when and where have I paraded about being some industry guy in LA ? I don't even live in LA.

And brinkmanship is a game for fools but trust me , that well for one, biggest dj ? lol. I mean in the grand scope of things, not really impressive. But if we were to have a name dropping throw down, well your dick would not be swinging so wide. You are a dj.Not a very successful one. Stop prettying like you have this fucking network that you could use but don't because like you have to keep shit real.

And i did not call anyone in this forum directly those terms. It is merely a reflection on the absurdity of the situation. And ya, i know djs are here. That is kinda the point of the thread.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney And brinkmanship is a game for fools but trust me , that well for one, biggest dj ? lol.

I've got no idea what this sentence is supposed to mean, but this is not about brinkmanship. I'm not trying to prove I know more people than you or anyone else, but I know enough people, from DJs to label owners to producers to promoters, to know how things work, so it's absolutely irrelevant to me whether you think I'm a "nobody". I know the score, and so if you come out with utter bullshit you cannot bluff me off an argument by dismissing me as a "nobody".

And as for me being a DJ, I have never handed out a promo CD, I have never asked for a booking. I have turned down bookings from promoters who post on this forum, because I don't think I'm good enough to play live. I'm not particularly interested in DJing as a career, it's something I do entirely for creative satisfaction. Most of the people I know are through my time as a music journalist, people who have got in touch with me or who I've just met. What I've done as a DJ does not change who and what I know, and when you say something like "Djs don't do it because they have this insecurity and this fucked up sense that they own those tracks" you just sound like a fucking cretin to me.

But yeah - the real reason producers aren't making money is because people don't know the names of their tracks because DJs don't code their podcasts in a certain way. It's got nothing to do with rampant online piracy and a hugely inflated market where it's almost impossible to stand out. You've totally got to the bottom of the music industry's problems in this thread. And all these flagship DJs who whore out their own labels and productions on their podcasts are deliberately counter-acting their own marketing by refusing to embed tracklists, entirely because they're all insecure and want to take credit for the music, even if it means losing out on the money they're trying to make.

Your argument is so fucking stupid it defies description. That you have the temerity to call people "morons" in the same post is the hilarious icing on top of a particularly idiotic cake.

My podcast does all of that... TLing including label, links to buy tracks, etc.

www.auralpleasuresmusic.com

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I've got no idea what this sentence is supposed to mean, but this is not about brinkmanship. I'm not trying to prove I know more people than you or anyone else, but I know enough people, from DJs to label owners to producers to promoters, to know how things work, so it's absolutely irrelevant to me whether you think I'm a "nobody". I know the score, and so if you come out with utter bullshit you cannot bluff me off an argument by dismissing me as a "nobody". And as for me being a DJ, I have never handed out a promo CD, I have never asked for a booking. I have turned down bookings from promoters who post on this forum, because I don't think I'm good enough to play live. I'm not particularly interested in DJing as a career, it's something I do entirely for creative satisfaction. Most of the people I know are through my time as a music journalist, people who have got in touch with me or who I've just met. What I've done as a DJ does not change who and what I know, and when you say something like "Djs don't do it because they have this insecurity and this fucked up sense that they own those tracks" you just sound like a fucking cretin to me. But yeah - the real reason producers aren't making money is because people don't know the names of their tracks because DJs don't code their podcasts in a certain way. It's got nothing to do with rampant online piracy and a hugely inflated market where it's almost impossible to stand out. You've totally got to the bottom of the music industry's problems in this thread. And all these flagship DJs who whore out their own labels and productions on their podcasts are deliberately counter-acting their own marketing by refusing to embed tracklists, entirely because they're all insecure and want to take credit for the music, even if it means losing out on the money they're trying to make. Your argument is so fucking stupid it defies description. That you have the temerity to call people "morons" in the same post is the hilarious icing on top of a particularly idiotic cake.

i never said it was the only reason, I pointed out a very common issue most people have with buying EDM in that they don't know how. As a dj, specifically a dj that is playing music without permission which is probably 99% of djs, it is rather sad that this even happens. A total solution ? Never said anything hinting at that idea. But it is a pretty easy concept to implement that would help everyone

The sentence you have trouble with would make sense considering your little tirade about how you know people. I could play the same game and make you look completely asinine but as I said, that sort of game, if the term confuses you, a game where one tries to out do the other in constant futile competition in that nobody is ever going to show their deal although in hindsight, if the cards where called, it would not quite be anywhere remotely near what one would consider a level playing field.


The above user mentioned he does it, So why doesn't everyone. It isn't hard. And it is something you should do. If you don't, you are a selfish prick that profits from the work of others breaking the law in the process. And i'm sure you talk about how things ruin your scene like the awful music you seem to think i like. Well guess what, what you do, and thousands of others is alot worse.

The point is that people want to buy EDM, They just don't know the names of tunes because djs are not naming them making it accessible. A set list is not going to help unless you have the actual track markings which nobody does, And if you did, might as well imbed the data in the podcast. if the idea of a bunch of djs promoting themselves using material for which they don't have permission without helping the person that isn't suing you and the resulting nonchalance is fucked.

The sad part is that i bring up an issue that needs to be addressed but instead of acknowledging the issue or suggesting better ideas, you seem to focus on your disdain for my online persona. It will help djs, it will help producers. Why people would be so adverse is beyond me.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney The sentence you have trouble with would make sense considering your little tirade about how you know people.

It would make sense if you had any grasp of grammar or syntax.

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The above user mentioned he does it, So why doesn't everyone. It isn't hard. And it is something you should do. If you don't, you are a selfish prick that profits from the work of others breaking the law in the process. And i'm sure you talk about how things ruin your scene like the awful music you seem to think i like. Well guess what, what you do, and thousands of others is alot worse.

I would disagree for the following reasons:

1. I don't have a podcast.
2. I don't profit from making mixes.
3. I live in the UK where it is legal to use other people's music in non-profit ventures.
4. Whenever anyone asks me "What's that tune playing at time xx.xx?" I always tell them the name of the track. I also provide record label information in my tracklistings.

As for the question "Why doesn't everyone do it?" I would suggest the following:

1. Enhanced podcasts are a relatively new development and are, as yet, non-standardised.
2. A lot of DJs play unreleased exclusive material on podcasts, so when they broadcast there is often, as yet, no way of buying the music at all.
3. The market for full club tracks may actually be smaller than you are suggesting, given you've done zero market research and presented zero facts or statistics. The biggest names making poppy EDM may shift significant units through iTunes, but it remains open for debate how many non-DJs out there would frequently buy 7 minute instrumental club records if only they were one click away.
4. As has been mentioned, DJs are actually a lot more forthcoming with tracklisting information than you stated. Many DJs name the tracks they've just played in voice on their podcasts as well as providing tracklistings.

Lastly, and just to make this as clear as possible to you, I am not denying that it's a helpful feature or that it could make some difference to sales. What I am taking issue with is your rather laughable and childish slurs against DJs and DJing as a whole. Is it at all possible for you to discuss an issue like this without immediately resorting to negative generalisations, insults, shit amateur psychology, and a generally confrontational, aggressive and subsequently hypocritical attitude? "Kinda sad how djs and producers seem to be at odds" you plaintively bleat, whilst simultaneously fostering a constant state of enmity.

this was never about you. The point is that alot of djs do this. And there needs to be a little more tit for tat among djs and producers.

mad4brad...you've lost the plot.

as far as i know , this isn't a story so what you are trying to convey isn't working. And i haven't deviated from my initial post. There is an issue in this scene regarding music normal people want to buy and how damn inaccessible it is no thanks to most djs who people listen to to hear the music. It really is simple, it is incontrovertible and it is annoying why people seem to not get why this isn't important. Djs are playing material to the public without consent, they aren't being sued mostly because the labels don't have the time or money and when it boils down to the numbers, djs are poor so there is no point in litigation. So you have a bunch of djs using material without permission promoting themselves. If you think it is as you say " losing the plot" by expressing how absurd this situation is. well you clearly have a skewed sense of what is fair and just. It takes less than 5 minutes. Do you really have no respect for your scene and the producers that make it available for you that you can tell me with a straight face that taking the time to make it possible for people listening to your mix to know what track is playing at what time to much to ask ?

Producers have to dj because nobody is buying their stuff. I wanted to buy their stuff but I couldn't because the podcast used by a dj to promote himself to his end didn't have the common courtesy to at least take the 5 minutes so that your promo is actually a promo. If you don't imbed chapters, well guess how many people are actually going to count the tracks and spend 10 minutes finding out what track it was based on the list you gave. 0. This happens more than you can imagine. It shows you have no respect for the people that make your music. It is ironic because these people are the ones taking your jobs because they have to because they are not selling enough because the only market they reach are djs which is so small it is laughable. This is a win win situation. How you can object to it is completely inexcusable.

What's going on here lads? Seriously... Are both of you alright? Or have you got nothing better to do than write essays to each other trying to explain a point that clearly matters as much as who's got the larger penis between the two of you?

I'm tempted to take looney's first post, then attach the 'how to' on podcasts below the original post and change the title to. 'How to use chapters in podcasts'. And get rid of all the other drama.

you are complaining, not an actual producer. I know enough of them to know that they don't really care as most normal people do not pay for music, and the djs that do aren't listening to the sets of others in order to figure out what they want to play themselves.

your argument is sort of akin to the idiots that claim all vinyl labels are stupid and ruin dance music simply because they don't have the means to have access to the medium. they still make money, they still only release records (sometimes as as unknown artists), yet dance music hasn't imploded.

today's generation has everything handed to them on silver platter enough as it is. this utopia of transparency will never happen because it has never been transparent to begin with...you can even go back to the time when guys would put stickers on top of the original tag so that trainspotters couldn't see what the track names were.

you buy a record with hard earned money, you play it, sometimes for others. you don't owe anything else to the producer. your support was given with your wallet. I always track list everything, but would never be bothered to do this. What happens if I'm playing 3 records at once? throwing acapellas , samples and loops into the mix? how would you link that? playing unreleased material? it isn't as white and black as you think, and honestly you come off as a total noob that has been listening to this kind of music for 2 weeks. as an industry guy you would figure that you would know better...but it is becoming quite obvious that this claim is a load of shite.

you leave a tracklist and label info...if they can't take 5 minutes to sort themselves out with the info given, chances are they didn't like the track that much in the first place. one of the biggest fun factors of dance music has been the thrill of the hunt. technology and accessibility have already ruined a lot about dance music, this is one aspect that I am glad has not been completely ruined yet. things handed to you for nothing are rarely worth it.

nelly don't close this. some discussion is better than none and this section is dead.

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Originally posted by zyklon-jay you are complaining, not an actual producer. I know enough of them to know that they don't really care as most normal people do not pay for music, and the djs that do aren't listening to the sets of others in order to figure out what they want to play themselves.

this

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Originally posted by zyklon-jay nelly don't close this. some discussion is better than none and this section is dead.

This. It is kind of an interesting discussion.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney this was never about you. The point is that alot of djs do this. And there needs to be a little more tit for tat among djs and producers.

Almost all name DJs are also producers, and vice versa.

should we get to the part where some producers don't like this feature because they often sell tracks with uncleared samples and don't want it plastered everywhere, or should we wait a bit longer?

Or how about the part where most EDM tracks aren't on iTunes in the first place, so the best you can do is link a casual buyer to Beatport, where they don't have an account and probably won't pay the higher prices?

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