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Americans who take drugs anywhere are deemed "terrorists" (not really but almost)

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The House Judiciary Committee passed a bill yesterday that would make it a federal crime for U.S. residents to discuss or plan activities on foreign soil that, if carried out in the U.S., would violate the Controlled Substances Act (CSA) -- even if the planned activities are legal in the countries where they're carried out. H.R. 313, the "Drug Trafficking Safe Harbor Elimination Act of 2011," is sponsored by Judiciary Committee Chairman Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Texas), and allows prosecutors to bring conspiracy charges against anyone who discusses, plans or advises someone else to engage in any activity that violates the CSA, the massive federal law that prohibits drugs like marijuana and strictly regulates prescription medication. "Under this bill, if a young couple plans a wedding in Amsterdam, and as part of the wedding, they plan to buy the bridal party some marijuana, they would be subject to prosecution," said Bill Piper, director of national affairs for the Drug Policy Alliance, which advocates for reforming the country's drug laws. "The strange thing is that the purchase of and smoking the marijuana while you're there wouldn't be illegal. But this law would make planning the wedding from the U.S. a federal crime."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...s_n_998993.html

God Bless America, the home of the free.

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Lamar Smith (R-Texas)

this guy is going to get himself lynched

That's just ridiculous.

The idea behind this was to help curb some of the drug trafficking from mexico into the US (Why else would it be sponsored by a Texan?) In theory, kind of a good idea; but poor, poor execution.

I used an entire roll of paper today after using the bathroom. Maybe I'll get extradited to face charges in the USA for endangerment of environmental factors and Jesus Christ.

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Originally posted by FuzzQi this guy is going to get himself lynched

Haha, what a toolbag he is. I hope he gets shot in the head.

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Originally posted by tubularbills The idea behind this was to help curb some of the drug trafficking from mexico into the US (Why else would it be sponsored by a Texan?) In theory, kind of a good idea; but poor, poor execution.

No, it's not a good idea in any way. Not even kind of.

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Originally posted by tubularbills The idea behind this was to help curb some of the drug trafficking from mexico into the US (Why else would it be sponsored by a Texan?) In theory, kind of a good idea; but poor, poor execution.

Oh, yeah. Hmm. Interesting idea. Why don't they just fucking TAX AND REGULATE THE SHIT?? Over 60% of the profits from the Mexican drug trade is from marijuana. Why would anyone want to buy Pablo's brick-weed when they can get OG Kush at the local head shop? While it won't kill the drug cartel's profits, it will certainly take a huge chunk out of it. I can't even believe this country is so back-asswards that it thinks that censoring the internet and prosecuting pot-smokers is going to help anything at all. This place is fucking stupid.

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Originally posted by ziptnf This place is fucking stupid.

NOW SKEETER HE AINT HURTIN NOBODY

at south park

The way I understood it was that if there was a group of folks, say like 3-4 people who were US citizens and they were in another country (say, Mexico) and were conspiring to bring in a huge racket of drugs (whatever the substance might be), and they got busted, they could be prosecuted.

While this is a little "Minority Report" in a sense (i.e. they didn't do anything, but police thought they were going to). And I realize that it's not the greatest idea in the world. However, on the other hand, you can *kind* of relate this to other forms of terrorism (i.e. you remember hearing about folks who were found and prosecuted because they were going to bomb a few buildings in London?)

Is the best way to combat drugs simply to make drugs legal? perhaps. Is the best way to keep your country safe by being proactive against possible terrorism? perhaps.

Everything needs to be in a good balance. This whole thing just had some poor execution and really needed to be revamped to work better.

just my two cents. I could honestly care less, because 1) i'm not a drug trafficker; 2) i don't do drugs; 3) i don't live in a border state.

With that being said........if you aren't in the realm of trafficking drugs across a border, do you really have much to worry about? just playing devil's advocate.

This country needs to quit being stubborn and legalize weed.

Free up some jail space, regulate it, and stimulate the economy in the process.

I can't wait until we build a fence on our border.

and they can be arrested indefinitely as of this year

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Originally posted by OrangestO This country needs to quit being stubborn and legalize weed. Free up some jail space, regulate it, and stimulate the economy in the process.

Never going to happen in a country where privately owned prisons are a big fucking business. The more people rot in jail for decades due to minor drug offences the more money the people that own the prisons make.

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Originally posted by Moongoose Never going to happen in a country where privately owned prisons are a big fucking business. The more people rot in jail for decades due to minor drug offences the more money the people that own the prisons make.

Also the cotton and tobacco industry would have to change, and no one likes changing things.

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Originally posted by Moongoose Never going to happen in a country where privately owned prisons are a big fucking business. The more people rot in jail for decades due to minor drug offences the more money the people that own the prisons make.

Read this.

I, for one, would like to see all of our criminals roaming free amongst society. They're people too.

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Originally posted by tubularbills Is the best way to combat drugs simply to make drugs legal? perhaps.

I know you said you were playing devil's advocate, but I just had to type a response to this point.

There's no "best" way to combat drugs because a war on drugs in any capacity is a failure. The prohibition itself created the black market. It is also the only thing preventing us from reducing, managing or eliminating all the drug related societal problems which it claims to be against, since these problems are a direct result of the prohibitions existence (human drug trafficking, contaminated substances, gangs funded by black market drug money, lengthy prison sentences for possession, ignorance of safe and responsible drug use, unregulated underage drug use, and more).

all this does nothing more than burden the judicial system a little more and ensure people who get busted spend a longer time in jail.

In a time where governement spending needs to be reduced, creating new charges to stack up against offenders doesn't help save money.


Now you'll get busted and get this and then some all at the same time:
-intent to resell
-intent to purchase CSA goods on foreign soil with intent of bringing them illegally into the country
-be a generally bad person who makes jesus cry

I never understood the american legal system, it's all about accumulation, get someone on the most count of charges so their lives are completely

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Originally posted by Anxieties I know you said you were playing devil's advocate, but I just had to type a response to this point. There's no "best" way to combat drugs because a war on drugs in any capacity is a failure. The prohibition itself created the black market. It is also the only thing preventing us from reducing, managing or eliminating all the drug related societal problems which it claims to be against, since these problems are a direct result of the prohibitions existence (human drug trafficking, contaminated substances, gangs funded by black market drug money, lengthy prison sentences for possession, ignorance of safe and responsible drug use, unregulated underage drug use, and more).

you're exaggerating that "all" drug-related societal problems are caused by prohibition. alcohol is legal and it causes a cluterfuck of problems.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 I, for one, would like to see all of our criminals roaming free amongst society. They're people too.

Didn't you share some rather telling drunk-driving stories not long ago?

Your point being?

My point being that you should be made into paint and sold to Chinese toy companies.

What lead you to that conclusion?

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