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Non proprietary interface DVS mixing systems? (Serato / Traktor Alternatives)

I want to get a simple DVS setup going at home but seeing as I have a good quality 6 in 6 out soundcard (echo audio fire 4), I don't want to pony up for a lower quality interface just to DJ with.

I remember there were systems like Miss Pinky which used timecoded vinyl and whatever soundcard you had but does anyone have any experience or suggestions with systems like these?

And, no I'm not going to buy serato or a crappy NI interface just to DJ with.

If I'm understanding this wiki article right; Imageline Deckadence, Adion DjDecks, Mark Hills xwax and Mixxx are all 'software only' dvs solutions.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi If I'm understanding this wiki article right; Imageline Deckadence, Adion DjDecks, Mark Hills xwax and Mixxx are all 'software only' dvs solutions.

Thanks mate, but I'm not looking for a software only solution - I want to use timecoded vinyl with my existing soundcard.

It seems Miss Pinky is the only system that let's you use your own soundcard, but from what little I can tell, you have to use max/MSP patches etc which I don't really want to get in to.

Anyone used miss Pinky or other DVS systems like this?

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Thanks mate, but I'm not looking for a software only solution - I want to use timecoded vinyl with my existing soundcard.

Yeah I know, I read your post :P What I meant to was 'Software only' as in 'you don't need to buy XX's proprietary DAC or ADC' or what the hell theyre called again. OMGLOLACRONYMSERRWHERE

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It seems Miss Pinky is the only system that let's you use your own soundcard, but from what little I can tell, you have to use max/MSP patches etc which I don't really want to get in to. Anyone used miss Pinky or other DVS systems like this?

From what I gathered doing some more research, The others supported using traktor/final scratch etc interfaces with their software, but I think mixxx is a bit more lenient in that area.

I'm guessing you'll have best luck doing this project on a Linux machine, due to there will definately be some tinkering that has to be done, and we all know how easy it is to customize OSX, or even Windows for that matter.

You can use non proprietary soundcards for timecode based mixing with Serato and Traktor


To summarize, it's first of all called ghetto timecode:
-aggregate your soundcard, rename if to appear to be a NI card ( NIIO4/MORMONEY or whatever they're called)
then setup traktor to use this aggregated/renamed sound card.

this works with older versions not the most recent ones I don't think.


ps: there's nothing proprietary about the soundcards for these apps, you just need in theory a certified one so that can be a mixer or a soundcard(the cards being from the mfr usually)

Yeah, I've been under the impression that they were shitty audio interfaces that basically just was a dongle.

Regarding the ghetto timecode, that is cool as hell and when I get my tt's back I'm gonna try it

Edit: Hmmm works for Mac only?

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Originally posted by jdat You can use non proprietary soundcards for timecode based mixing with Serato and Traktor To summarize, it's first of all called ghetto timecode: -aggregate your soundcard, rename if to appear to be a NI card ( NIIO4/MORMONEY or whatever they're called) then setup traktor to use this aggregated/renamed sound card. this works with older versions not the most recent ones I don't think. ps: there's nothing proprietary about the soundcards for these apps, you just need in theory a certified one so that can be a mixer or a soundcard(the cards being from the mfr usually)

Holy fucking shit! I was wondering if that was the case but I thought they would have somehow limited it in the firmware and had not idea it would be simple as renaming your fucking soundcard.

So can you hlp me clarify this: from a quick search on the internetz, I can use my 6 in 6 out Audiofire 4 with timecoded vinyl and from what I gather Traktor Scratch Pro?

All I need to do is rename my soundcard to audio8?

I actually prefer serato so is there anyway to use serato without their $300 dongle?

Thanks guys!

Are the NI interfaces really that crappy?

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Originally posted by meriter Are the NI interfaces really that crappy?

It's not that they are crap, just that my soundcard is waaaaay better and I don't want to have to pony up for a new soundcard just to DJ at home with.

Also, NI soundcards, at least the early editions were plagued with electronics failures, so they kind of got a bit of a bad name for a while.

So again, can anyone clarify the question in most post above?

Which one of them?

Apparently you can use some of the older versions of Traktor by renaming your soundcard, if you have Mac that is.

http://forum.djtechtools.com/showthread.php?t=4544

Serato? Won't work.

If you want to use software that isn't pirated (I'd think it'd be hard legally purchasing outdated software), I'd suggest you take a look at the link I posted in my first reply. I'm considering trying some of them out myself actually, vinyl timecode with vst effect rack sounded pretty f'n rad.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi Which one of them? Apparently you can use some of the older versions of Traktor by renaming your soundcard, if you have Mac that is. http://forum.djtechtools.com/showthread.php?t=4544 Serato? Won't work. If you want to use software that isn't pirated (I'd think it'd be hard legally purchasing outdated software), I'd suggest you take a look at the link I posted in my first reply. I'm considering trying some of them out myself actually, vinyl timecode with vst effect rack sounded pretty f'n rad.

Thanks mate.

I found and read that thread during my internet search but unfortunately by page 10 it turns in to an absolute shitfest of twats talking about the merits EULA's and hardware hacks and software usage agreements, and whether doing this is illegal and who is going to be subject to foreign rendition for using ghetto timecode. Had to wade through 8 pages until I got to the easy bit:

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In the meantime, here's the missing step to make this all work on a Mac w/ a legit copy of TSP: go to Audio Midi Setup, open up the Aggregate Device Editor, and name your device "Audio 8 DJ".

I think I'll try to tack down a copy of Traktor 1.2.2 and then get me some timecoded NI vinyl. Otherwise, it seems Virtual DJ looks mighty close to serato in look and feel so I could always use that.

Thanks again mang.

I tried out the Deckadance demo yesterday, only with my mouse though, but it felt like a solid piece of software and the vst support was fuuuuuuuuuun.

For DVS I think maybe Mixxx would be a better contender than Virtual DJ *shiver*, I think.. The vinyl part builds on xwax, so it's solid as a brick and it seemed feature rich as well and it reads all kinds of timecode vinyls.

there has to be a way to do this on windows, if one looks for ways to aggregate devices on windows, you should find a way to rename your soundcard(s).



given that, will the trick work in this context I don't know.

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Originally posted by jdat there has to be a way to do this on windows, if one looks for ways to aggregate devices on windows, you should find a way to rename your soundcard(s). given that, will the trick work in this context I don't know.

I've never heard of any windows equivalent of aggregate devices like they have on Mac, not saying that it doesn't exist.

From what I gather, it seems to be a feature of the Audio Midi Setup Utility, so without knowing too much about it, I think you'd have to do some decompiling of drivers and stuff to rename it in Windows, but yeah absolutely no expert on Windows.. So I have no idea. Not that I care, If I wanted vinyl emulation I'd just create a usb flash with linux with mixxx installed on it with different users for the different computers I'd use it on. Free and easy and will run everywhere

Thanks guys for the input on this one.

I have literally scoured the web and there is next to nothing in terms of info on Ghetto timecode solutions and this thread is already ranking on google as the 2nd hit for a solutions.

From what I been able to gather, you can use traktor scratch pro 1.2.2 with timecode and any interface by renaming the interface.

The usability of other versions is unknown?

You can use other programs such as mixx and Vdj with traktor timecode vinyl.

Not sure about serato timcode with other platforms.

Serato (software) cannot be used with any other interface than one of the proprietary SL interfaces or a certified rane mixed.

Anyone got any other input?

Mixxx also supports Serato CV02, which is cool, cus many of them look dope.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi Mixxx also supports Serato CV02, which is cool, cus many of them look dope.

Thanks for that, but I think I'm going to get the traktor ones, as I can use them with more programs.

too bad Technics are like a thousand fucking dollars now

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Originally posted by meriter too bad Technics are like a thousand fucking dollars now

Ouch. I got my two mk5g's, Senn 7509HD's headphones, two Ortofon Nightclub E, all for less than $1300 brand new from a store about a year before they discontinued them.

I bought two for about 300 bucks, one had a broken tonearm. came with ortofon nightclub (or something) pickups.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Ouch. I got my two mk5g's, Senn 7509HD's headphones, two Ortofon Nightclub E, all for less than $1300 brand new from a store about a year before they discontinued them.

nice now all you need is serato, check my thread on it

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Originally posted by orTof�nChiLd nice now all you need is serato, check my thread on it

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Originally posted by orTof�nChiLd RANN hates these kind of sound cards, he likes lavry, mytek, etc

Do I really need to say anything more?

That's the whole point of this thread. I don't want to have to use some substandard $300 dongle just to use DJ software.

I can use traktor as a DVS with my soundcard so there's really no need for serato.

And the moment someone cracks serato to allow any soundcard, serato will go bust overnight.

Let us know how everything turns out, ok?

And check your pms

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Originally posted by dj_alfi Let us know how everything turns out, ok? And check your pms

Will do, and thanks

Sorry to resurrect this thread from the dead, but I had a chance to play with a few platforms and I'm getting some really fucking annoying results.

I tried mixxx, which has a pretty decent interafce (similar to serato) but for the fucking life of me I cannot get perfectly stable pitch when using either traktor or serato control vinyl. It fluctuates by about 0.15+/- making mixing basically impossible.

Same fucking problem with virtual DJ. I like the interface slight less but it still does everything it needs to, but for the life of me I cannot get the pitch to be stable.

One weird thing I noticed that I was not getting perfect green circles for the signal calibration (in either program) until I figured out that the control vinyls were dirty, so I gave em a good scrub and now I get get good calibration signals and nice round green donuts but still weird pitch fluctuation issues.

Anyone got any ideas? I wondered if a bad ground could be fucking it up or if my soundcard (Echo Audiofire4) was causing problems?

Anyone had similar issues or can test either of these programs with control vinyl?

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