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Please let me know what is you ultimate goal in music production, I would like to see what is your mind set and expectation for the future.

Thank you,

Darek

None of the above. I do it as a hobby knowing that it will always cost me far more than I will ever earn from it.

I do it because I've already had my 15 minutes of fame (well, nearly 20 years of moderate regional success), I've got a great career and family to support my expensive hobby, I love making music, and I love writing music with the many talented singers, musicians, and producers that I've worked with over the years. I'm totally cool with that.

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Originally posted by cryophonik None of the above. I do it as a hobby knowing that it will always cost me far more than I will ever earn from it. I do it because I've already had my 15 minutes of fame (well, nearly 20 years of moderate regional success), I've got a great career and family to support my expensive hobby, I love making music, and I love writing music with the many talented singers, musicians, and producers that I've worked with over the years. I'm totally cool with that.

Yeah, but you wouldn't mind get a bit more to support this successful (but local) hobby?

Darek

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Originally posted by cryophonik None of the above. I do it as a hobby knowing that it will always cost me far more than I will ever earn from it. I do it because I've already had my 15 minutes of fame (well, nearly 20 years of moderate regional success), I've got a great career and family to support my expensive hobby, I love making music, and I love writing music with the many talented singers, musicians, and producers that I've worked with over the years. I'm totally cool with that.

You have to pick one or the other.

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Originally posted by TranceLover007 Yeah, but you wouldn't mind get a bit more to support this successful (but local) hobby?

That would depend on what other commitments and risks came with it. As you know, I was a professional musician for much of my life and, while it was great living that lifestyle at that time in my life, it's not something I wish to do again. I make music on my terms and my schedule now, and I pretty much lose interest whenever it starts to feel like work (e.g., contracts, deadlines, requests for edits). I deal with that sh*t at my job every day, and music is one of my escapes from that.

Then again, I'm also probably an extreme outlier. I'm guessing that most producers here are much younger and have some ambition to do something with their music. More power to 'em, but that's not me.

So I guess I could give you guys another option like "I don't care and will go with the flow" but this wouldn't really give me any clear view of the direction or perception you have on this subject!

Darek

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Originally posted by cryophonik That would depend on what other commitments and risks came with it. As you know, I was a professional musician for much of my life and, while it was great living that lifestyle at that time in my life, it's not something I wish to do again. I make music on my terms and my schedule now, and I pretty much lose interest whenever it starts to feel like work (e.g., contracts, deadlines, requests for edits). I deal with that sh*t at my job every day, and music is one of my escapes from that.

Nothing would be different then is right now, except your share of your sold stuff would be much bigger lol - talking about fairness lol

No contract, you do the way you want it - lets call it "scalable opportunities", you wont more you produce more!!!

Darek

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Originally posted by TranceLover007 Nothing would be different then is right now, except your share of your sold stuff would be much bigger lol - talking about fairness lol No contract, you do the way you want it - lets call it "scalable opportunities", you wont more you produce more!!! Darek

Now, that's something I could get on board with. I assume you're thinking of some particular plan here (i.e., the "other" thread, which I haven't really been following, but probably should)???

All I really want is to be able to make music. I have been in situations where it felt like work and the satisfaction from that was relatively fleeting. I could care less about self-promotion, networking, or any of the other non-sense it supposedly takes. I want my music to be good. I want it to sound professional. I hope that it makes people move but the whole notion of making bank or seeing a sea of people waving their hands to it seems so self-aggrandizing that I'm actually loathe to ever get to that point.

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Originally posted by cryophonik Now, that's something I could get on board with. I assume you're thinking of some particular plan here (i.e., the "other" thread, which I haven't really been following, but probably should)???

Yes Dave, you still will be your own boss and as long as people are buying your stuff then you don't have to worry about anything lol

Cheers,

Darek

Quite simply a dedication to sound, striving to make the best possible soundscape I can, and by this I mean both content and style. If that in turn means some folk wanna dance to it, and maybe get a connection, thats great.

Given that pro after pro in those FM interviews claims there's little money in releasing, and that a good many of them have had considerable sucess, I would be surprised and happy if some dosh did turn up, but I don't think about it.

My day job is 101% focused on money, every moment of it. I have a number in my head every second, which I have to strive for.

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Originally posted by TranceLover007 Please let me know what is you ultimate goal in music production, I would like to see what is your mind set and expectation for the future. Thank you, Darek

Dunno if this will help or clutter up the process but FWIW...

I am a hobbyist and follow the Devin Townsend school of thought. IE: Make what 'you' want to hear and there's probably a few more nerds out there who like it too.

I am not interested in making any money. I just want to make things that someone hears and says "Man, that was freaking cool." And if no one ever hears it, that's OK too. I am personally satisfied with the creative process and my own end result.

That's it for me. Now if i can somehow profit, I'm all for that. But I do not want to deal with the promotion/networking bs, nor the business of music. I want to have a creative outlet aside from writing. That's all.

I guess Darek's covert plan of identifying all the old farts on TA has worked to perfection so far, huh?

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Originally posted by Normie I am not interested in making any money. I just want to make things that someone hears and says "Man, that was freaking cool." And if no one ever hears it, that's OK too. I am personally satisfied with the creative process and my own end result.

And get pay for what you deserve - this is how I see it.

I can see split between 2 (like 70/30 or 60/40 - producer is first number) but then, every time you introduce another parties then this split start to be, at least a bit to complicated or in many cases unfair. Now can you imagine add another one to share your success lol - I don't !!!!

Cheers,

Darek

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Originally posted by cryophonik I guess Darek's covert plan of identifying all the old farts on TA has worked to perfection so far, huh?

The best part is there will be 80 percent of the thread readers thinking what 'jaded old farts' we are 'who gave on the dream..AND THAT WON'T BE ME MAN!!!! I'M GONNA BE RICH!!!"

When in reality I, and I' have no doubt you, hav led some pretty interesting and satisfying lives.

There's a lot to be said for the (for lack of a better descriptor) 'purist' approach of doing music (or anything else) for it's own sake. It frees you of all the drama of the chase to glory and the disappointments that naturally come with it.

I'm hoping TL gets this off the ground. I'd love to see what he has planned and participate if I ever do anything I think is 'professional' enough to release outside soundcloud or a you tube vid.

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Originally posted by Normie There's a lot to be said for the (for lack of a better descriptor) 'purist' approach of doing music (or anything else) for it's own sake. It frees you of all the drama...

Don't forget the venereal diseases, bad tattoos, and illegitimate children.

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Originally posted by cryophonik Don't forget the venereal diseases, bad tattoos, and illegitimate children.

Or the illegitimate children with bad tattoos and venereal disease.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker Or the illegitimate children with bad tattoos and venereal disease.

Who are now making EDM and bitching about no money in it....OH HELL it's our fault!!!

It is a lot of different variables which need to connected properly in this equation, in my opinion this logical set of X attribute need to be precisely and logically placed in right time and in right position in order to represent (or giving us) a positive value on the end that calculation.

Nobody said that this will be easy job to do but I know that there is a lot, I mean a lot of room for improvement which ultimately should only benefits artists/producers!

Cheers,

Darek

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Given that pro after pro in those FM interviews claims there's little money in releasing, and that a good many of them have had considerable sucess, I would be surprised and happy if some dosh did turn up, but I don't think about it.

If they were carpenters they'd claim all the money was in transporting the timber or something. They're just trying to protect their jobs.

I want to be successful. When I do something in life I want to be the best at it and reap the rewards that come with being successful.

edit: meaning I choose the first option.

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Originally posted by cryophonik Then again, I'm also probably an extreme outlier. I'm guessing that most producers here are much younger and have some ambition to do something with their music. More power to 'em, but that's not me.

Eh. I'm 20, been at it since I was 15, and I've never had any sort of ambition. It's a hobby with a massive learning curve and I don't put the sort of time into it to get anything back.

That said I really, really take pride in my music. I've been doing this for a relatively short amount of time, spent over 3 years with so little technical experience that I had absolutely no clue how to use a simple compressor, and yet my music sounds pretty good to me. I'm actually happy with what I make and my overall style. How many people can say confidently say that about their own music?

As nice as it is that the end result of about 40-50 hours of work gets the attention of about 100 people at a time, and a couple of them even take the time to give me feedback.. I dunno. The feedback is almost always really positive and yet my music gets so little attention, I sometimes feel like more people could enjoy what I make if I had any way of getting noticed. I just don't have the time or energy to create a network of people who care about what I churn out, and because of that it's easy to feel like I'm not doing anything right, or even if I am it must not be anything worth paying attention to.

But I'm still new to this, and I legitimately enjoy the music I make and the process behind it, so whatever. It makes it worth putting up with the frustration of nobody else really giving a shit about the one thing I'm really passionate about. At least, that's the case most of the time..

I want to make some songs that people with good taste and hot bodies will love. No fatties.

I want to make enough money and start my own militia / army where we rob banks, and do spy shit.

Thank you guys, I wish I could get a bit more participants in this poll but I guess anything counts and every vote will be take into the consideration lol -> at least I can see this trend, direction or your view on this whole situation in the music industries and what is your most important element in this, what stimulate you or drive your music creation hobby -> appreciate guys.

Cheers,

Darek

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