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Posted by Kysora on Feb-17-2012 18:33:

Reference tracks with dense arrangements?

I could use some reference tracks, I haven't really been paying a lot of attention to trance recently and I feel like my music might be suffering for it.

Ideally with denser arrangements, if you could. Sparse minimalist productions won't really help me as far as an A/B comparison with my music. Anyone have any?

Thanks guys.

Posted by Looney4Clooney on Feb-17-2012 18:39:

SHOKK, flutlicht. me

Posted by Trancelover03591 on Feb-17-2012 18:59:

This is a good point for producers to come to. About 2 years ago I was messing around in FL Studio thinking of songs from years prior and coming up with somewhat similar stuff. Then I listened to some trance Ferry Corsten played that very week and realised: the stuff I am making sounds absolutely nothing like what is being produced, signed and played today.

One of the important things about trance in particular, is that it is no longer the dominant form of electronic music. When it was, I didn't like it much, just like I don't reaaaaally like Dubstep or Electro now. But when trance became second tier, it started changing for the better.

I think when a genre is 'at the top' it is too insular. Not to talk about Andy Blewmen agaaaain but that was trance at it's most insular peak when it was large and in charge. No borrowing from other genres, very rigid, ect. It is great for one song, but 2 hours of ASOT a week of da da da - da da da - da da da - (the rolling uplifting bass and everything else) it's boring and not very creative.

Trance music borrows from other genres now. There is a darker egde, it is more techy. It can't be rigid because no one will go to a trance show anymore if it isn't mixed up with some electro, house, dubstep, ect.

I really like Breakfast (Casey Keyworth), Mike Foyle, Basil O'Glue, Glenn Morrison, Jerome Ism-ae, Arty (as jealous as I am).

Trance is often 128-132 bpm now as well. I don't know how much 'denser' it is. I think trance is more minimal now and uses less instruments/synths now but all of them are 'big' and make a splash in the song.

Posted by Trancelover03591 on Feb-17-2012 19:02:

Posted by Julz on Feb-17-2012 19:05:

Re: Reference tracks with dense arrangements?

quote:
Originally posted by Kysora
I could use some reference tracks, I haven't really been paying a lot of attention to trance recently and I feel like my music might be suffering for it.

Ideally with denser arrangements, if you could. Sparse minimalist productions won't really help me as far as an A/B comparison with my music. Anyone have any?

Thanks guys.

I would be focusing on getting maximum impact and tension from the minimum amount of track possible. I find that the more shit you introduce the more busy and less clear a mix is. Less is more, I'v learnt this from experience!

But here is a well made example [i find this pretty dense alot going on], love this track soo much

Posted by Trancelover03591 on Feb-17-2012 19:08:

I agree with Julz and hope it came across I was trying to say something similar towards the end of my statement.

Posted by tehlord on Feb-17-2012 19:53:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWyk...feature=related

Posted by pointPi on Feb-17-2012 20:22:

Here are a bunch of tracks I'd recommend you at the moment. Much better than that bland Arty/Mat Zo stuff.

If you want more, go check the Japanese labels Otographic Music and Galaxy Recz.

Posted by DJ RANN on Feb-17-2012 21:00:

Jesus H fucking Christ - aside from some truly terrible music being posted in this thread, none of the examples have even a remotely dense arrangement and are just simple elements with reverb or disto (maybe with exception to what Julz and Geoff posted but even then they are a bit weak).

Distortion on some of the elements does not a dense arrangement make.

Here are some proper examples of well produced dense arrangements:

Posted by Kysora on Feb-17-2012 21:09:

quote:
Originally posted by tehlord
ramsterdam

oh man I forgot all about that song, what an awesome pattern after the breakdown.

you guys are awesome, thanks a ton. I'll check these out when I get home.

Posted by Julz on Feb-17-2012 21:13:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ RANN

Stunning song

Posted by tehlord on Feb-17-2012 22:53:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ RANN
Jesus H fucking Christ - aside from some truly terrible music being posted in this thread, none of the examples have even a remotely dense arrangement and are just simple elements with reverb or disto (maybe with exception to what Julz and Geoff posted but even then they are a bit weak).

My response was tailored to the person asking the question.

So ner

Posted by Trancelover03591 on Feb-17-2012 23:06:

quote:
Originally posted by Kysora
oh man I forgot all about that song, what an awesome pattern after the breakdown.

you guys are awesome, thanks a ton. I'll check these out when I get home.

100% sure Ramsterdam was posted as a joke, Kysora.

Posted by tehlord on Feb-17-2012 23:07:

quote:
Originally posted by Trancelover03591
100% sure Ramsterdam was posted as a joke, Kysora.

No it wasn't

Posted by Trancelover03591 on Feb-17-2012 23:10:

I am a huge fan of Dousk (Pa Dida is my favorite track from him), Guy J, Henry Saiz, Jooris Voorn and I like Robert Babicz OK. However, I would classify them mainly as Progressive House (which is my favorite genre) but the OP asked for Trance.

Posted by Trancelover03591 on Feb-17-2012 23:13:

quote:
Originally posted by tehlord
No it wasn't

:X I was going to put 99% sure but thought it too cliche.

Ramsterdam is a little old. I like the song OK but not a whole set of that stuff.

Posted by DJ RANN on Feb-17-2012 23:19:

quote:
Originally posted by Julz
Stunning song

Tell me about it. Some of dousk's stuff just makes me want to give up.

Posted by tehlord on Feb-17-2012 23:20:

quote:
Originally posted by Trancelover03591
:X I was going to put 99% sure but thought it too cliche.

Ramsterdam is a little old. I like the song OK but not a whole set of that stuff.

The Grand Canyon is a little old. Ramsterdam is younger than some of the food in my cupboard.

Also, I know the OP's music and what he likes so I feel confident that a list of clever tracks that few people have heard of wasn't what he was looking for.

Posted by Trancelover03591 on Feb-17-2012 23:26:

Well, if he is looking for current uplifting trance, the two who seem like vanguards of the style currently are Aly & Fila and Sean Tyas. Most of the other ones have moved on from it now.

Posted by tehlord on Feb-17-2012 23:56:

A big +1 on Tyas, although he's been making basically the same track for 3-4 years now.

Yet I still keep going back for more

Posted by Looney4Clooney on Feb-18-2012 00:00:

so like anyone know Gareth. Can someone shove some cigarettes in his mouth so he doesn't sound like a 12 year old. Allo, this is gareth , broadcasting from my tree house, live till 5 pm and we will be playing some bangin tunes after if parents will allow.

Posted by Trancelover03591 on Feb-18-2012 00:23:

quote:
Originally posted by tehlord
A big +1 on Tyas, although he's been making basically the same track for 3-4 years now.

Yet I still keep going back for more

Yeah,

I forgot about John O'Callaghan as well.

Posted by jayxthekoolest on Feb-19-2012 01:26:

there is soo much in this track. it is crazy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObMXmjEg9B8

Posted by DJ RANN on Feb-19-2012 02:30:

quote:
Originally posted by jayxthekoolest
there is soo much in this track. it is crazy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObMXmjEg9B8

Dude, you gotta stop posting that stuff. It's not healthy, even for comedic purposes. Didn't you drop avicii in that other thread about intros?

I do my best to avoid that kind aural disturbance.