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Progressive and what it doesn't mean
I'm really not one to care about the whole naming conventions but the term progressive is just really not understood in the way it actually is attributed to music
It does NOT refer to a progressing track
It DOES refer to a track that for some reason is doing something more progressive or cutting edge than what is out there.
Think progressive rock , that wasn't about progressive.
Progressive in EDM means the same thing. Usually it refers to very niche music which is completely against any sort of commercial appeal ie a hook or a melody. Whether it be house or trance.
In fact the one thing that sticks out with progressive is that it doesn't actually go anywhere because the focus is not on hooks or melodies so the track is basically one 8 bart groove.
I have a friend who insists progressive means it changes throughout the track, because he listens to a shitload of progressive metal that's mostly 6-10 minute long songs that change constantly without repeating much of anything.
I guess technically that'd be considered progressive in both definitions so it was pointless trying to tell him otherwise
even progressive metal refers to like that virtuosic shit. lol Like Dream Theatre. It has nothing to do with progressing. IT is a wanker term so people can feel their music is better than the other metal / trance or .....
L4C is right.
When the term "progressive house" was made up in the UK it referred to a specific group of artists and their style in the early '90s, particularly Leftfield with Leftism and Spooky with Gargantuan. And from then on by artists who were influenced by them (and actually Charlie May from Spooky went on to produce many of Sasha's most famous tracks, further influencing the development of "progressive" dance music).
Christ. Bunch of emo's. Get a grip.
do I seem angry ?
I have a grip. And that current grip is yo mamma's titties.
Since I'm so narrow-minded to thank than Progressive Rock equals Pink Floyd, I've always imagined Progressive Rock to be rock music heavily driven by synthesizers. So I don't really bother having a proper definition of Progressive EDM.
BTW, I own and absolutely adore 'Dark Side of the Moon' and 'Wish You Were Here'. Could anyone recommend me similar albums by other bands?
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| Originally posted by Looney4Clooney do I seem angry ? |
think of the word as one would use it in a political context. Now apply that to music. THat is all it means. It means you think you are thinking outside the box and doing stuff that is bound by flavour of the day commercialism. In theory. In practice, anything progressive is wanker music , pink floyd would be more psychedelic rock, not progressive. Zappa is progressive. Rush is progressive. THe kind of stuff only guitarists like basically. And in EDM, it is the same shit. Except the people that like it in EDM are ugly scenester douche bags that wish they could be popular but can't and hide their lack of skill by making weird bullshit music and calling it progressive. I suppose the one difference between EDM progressive and the rest is that the rest had talent despite how god damn lame they were.
Progressive house on beatport is where they place anything that can't classify, it would be a lot more coherent in the electro house section but they've been doing this for quite a while.
If you add that this artists are the likes of David Guetta, Tiesto,Afrojack etc that are hardly innovative this definition seems to be old, didn't know this to be honest but indeed has sense.
For the longest time, I thought this was progressive. I guess I learn something new every day.
You guys are over-thinking and over-analyzing this, so let the old guy who grew up during the 70s listening to Pink Floyd, Alan Parsons Project, ELP, Yes, King Crimson, etc. set you straight. Progressive is a term invented by stoners for stoners who get stoned while listening to other stoners play while stoned. If it featured an organ and/or several Moogs, was 6+ minutes in length, and wasn't verse/chorus/verse/chorus/bridge/solo/chorus/chorus, it was called progressive rock and, therefore, suitable for listening while getting stoned. Progressive house is maybe the same? Don't know, don't care. The end.
What a progressive attitude, cryo
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| Originally posted by Kysora What a progressive attitude, cryo |
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| Originally posted by cryophonik You guys are over-thinking and over-analyzing this, so let the old guy who grew up during the 70s listening to Pink Floyd, Alan Parsons Project, ELP, Yes, King Crimson, etc. set you straight. Progressive is a term invented by stoners for stoners who get stoned while listening to other stoners play while stoned. If it featured an organ and/or several Moogs, was 6+ minutes in length, and wasn't verse/chorus/verse/chorus/bridge/solo/chorus/chorus, it was called progressive rock and, therefore, suitable for listening while getting stoned. Progressive house is maybe the same? Don't know, don't care. The end. |
Ishkur pretty much nailed this one
Re: Progressive and what it doesn't mean
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| Originally posted by Looney4Clooney one 8 bart groove. |
nobody is over thinking it , Cryo might of lived the era but his memory is old and given the weed he smoked, not very reliable. I on the other hand am hung like a horse.
it was a term used to describe rock musicians that tried to be more virtuosic and out there and its pre cursor was psychedelic rock. It was first used to describe the rock bands in the UK in the early 70s. Some people called it art rock, but progressive rock stuck. They basically tried to turn rock into classical music ergo making it suck balls. IT was awful music, the second a band became prog, they sucked. All prog musicians are wankers and thats pretty much it. The only people that like it are the band, and half rate musicians. Other prog rock musicians think they are too good to listen to other prog bands so ya, basically music retailer level musicians , mostly white guitarists where the only people that listened to shitty lame wanker bands.
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| Originally posted by Looney4Clooney They basically tried to turn rock into classical music ergo making it suck balls. |
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| Originally posted by pointPi Since I'm so narrow-minded to thank than Progressive Rock equals Pink Floyd, I've always imagined Progressive Rock to be rock music heavily driven by synthesizers. So I don't really bother having a proper definition of Progressive EDM. BTW, I own and absolutely adore 'Dark Side of the Moon' and 'Wish You Were Here'. Could anyone recommend me similar albums by other bands? |
Fuck me with a chainsaw.
The term progressive, when used with the suffix House, has absolutely fuck all do to with any incantation of rock genre naming from the 1970's.
The term was coined in the UK in the early/mid 90's, (various people have claimed they invented the term but mixmag took credit for it and most people who remember that period give them at least credit for bringing it to the mainstream). It related to a strain of house music, that *shock horror* progressed via adding elements and through stepped structural variation. In it's most dumbed down form, it refers to a house track that gradually progressed. Most early progressive house was just about hooks that grew or were added to others.
later it came to mean any house track that didn't fit clearly in to the other genres (i.e. wasn't too deep, not too funky etc).
Nobody really fucking cares all that much. Jesus christ on a bike 
I'm a youngster and fairly new to the genre so I thought this thread was pretty helpful. Never knew that's what it meant. Good to know.
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