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I want a drum plugin that does this.

I want a built in step sequencer like Maschine

I'd like the step sequence data drag and drop-able like you can with EZdrummer grooves.

I'd like samples to be hot swappable like in Battery.

It must not be Geist, it's a mess.


If Maschine is the only one that can do this, then i'm happy to buy its beautiful dongle as well as I could use the pads.

I want these features too.

I wonder why so many developers dont know how producers want to work.
Geist is a mess of complexity, so it kills workflow and inspiration.

Shall we develop one! Call it 'The Slagg'. Second incarnation could be called 'The Ho'.

Maschine has a step sequencer.
Maschine has drag and drop midi/audio data into the sequencer
You can swap a sample in maschine while it is playing but not back-and-forth (I don't exactly know what you mean by hot swappable)

I'll say it again...Xfer Nerve.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler I want these features too. I wonder why so many developers dont know how producers want to work. Geist is a mess of complexity, so it kills workflow and inspiration. Shall we develop one! Call it 'The Slagg'. Second incarnation could be called 'The Ho'.

Tell me about it. Even back when I tried Guru it was a total mess. All that's needed is something really simple. Dunno why there aren't more out there doing what I want!

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Originally posted by Euforix

Say what now! Next you'll be telling me Rewire is a great idea

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Originally posted by J.L. Maschine has a step sequencer. Maschine has drag and drop midi/audio data into the sequencer You can swap a sample in maschine while it is playing but not back-and-forth (I don't exactly know what you mean by hot swappable)

By hot swappable I just mean I can swap one sample for another while a complete loop is playing. I think I've seen it's possible in Maschine, and I can certainly do it in Battery so I would imagine the function is there.

Maschine is 'on the list'

Nerve fool.

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Originally posted by tehlord By hot swappable I just mean I can swap one sample for another while a complete loop is playing. I think I've seen it's possible in Maschine, and I can certainly do it in Battery so I would imagine the function is there. Maschine is 'on the list'

Nerve goes way beyond simple hot-swamping. About the only place I'd give Battery the nod is for its ability to layer samples and build huge kits. For most EDM work, you're not going to need that anyway. Nerve has some really cool features for selecting samples for each pad on the fly, including random piece/kit selection. Spend 25 minutes watching these videos (the first video shows how to hot-swap samples):

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Originally posted by deadmau5 Nerve fool.

You got a nerve.

There, you now have the title for your next track. I will accept $50k Canadian or 10% of your Facebook following as idea royalty.

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Originally posted by cryophonik Nerve goes way beyond simple hot-swamping. About the only place I'd give Battery the nod is for its ability to layer samples and build huge kits. For most EDM work, you're not going to need that anyway. Nerve has some really cool features for selecting samples for each pad on the fly, including random piece/kit selection. Spend 25 minutes watching these videos (the first video shows how to hot-swap samples):

I think that might be the ticket right there. I'm not fussed about sample layering within the plugin anyway.

The GUI is nice too.

Time for a demo tomorrow I think.

GA1 + BeatDesiger
Both already included in Cubase, do EXACTLY what you want.
and interact TOGETHER.
you just need to spend 5mins on youtube to understands how it works together.

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Originally posted by Raphie GA1 + BeatDesiger Both already included in Cubase, do EXACTLY what you want. and interact TOGETHER. you just need to spend 5mins on youtube to understands how it works together.

I'm still a happy oldskooler with Cubase Studio 4

I've not upgraded yet as I just don't see the need (apart from multi channel export) and CS4 is virtually 100% stable for me. It's the stability I like best, especially as on the rare occasions it does bug out it virtually always catches itself and allows me a save before collapsing.

The Nerve demo installs as a 32bit plugin and there's no mention of 64bit on the website.

Der

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Originally posted by tehlord The Nerve demo installs as a 32bit plugin and there's no mention of 64bit on the website. Der

Yeah, I should have mentioned that. The demo is an older version. The newer version is 64-bit and has a bunch of goodies that you won't find in the demo, unfortunately. As I recall, if you register the demo, you can access the forum where you can see all the information from the latest version, which has been a long-standing beta/release candidate. It's essentially that way because he keeps adding features to it! But, yes, rest assured that it is 64-bit and very stable.

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Originally posted by cryophonik Yeah, I should have mentioned that. The demo is an older version. The newer version is 64-bit and has a bunch of goodies that you won't find in the demo, unfortunately. As I recall, if you register the demo, you can access the forum where you can see all the information from the latest version, which has been a long-standing beta/release candidate. It's essentially that way because he keeps adding features to it! But, yes, rest assured that it is 64-bit and very stable.

Furry muff

I have to say the demo is MOST impressive. I think the GUI is a little small considering the amount of options within the grid, but it's not the end of the world, and it's still not Geist

The included samples in the demo are extraordinarily good as well.

I still haven't (without RTFM) how to drag step sequenced drum midi onto the Cubase project window but that must be possible. I'd also like to be able to extract the excellent swing onto other programmed channels as well if that was possible to avoid the old swing conflict.

I'm impressed though. It's really neat.

Richard Butler needs this

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Originally posted by tehlord ...and it's still not Geist

Agreed.

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Originally posted by tehlord I still haven't (without RTFM) how to drag step sequenced drum midi onto the Cubase project window but that must be possible.

I can't recall offhand and I'm not at my DAW right now, but you either drag (possibly ALT-drag) the pattern from the letters or numbers on the right-hand side of the screen. I believe it's the same for the demo, but not positive. I do recall from the demo that there was a way to do it AND disable the on-board sequencer, but it's much more intuitive to disable the sequencer in the current version (specific command in the menus).

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Originally posted by tehlord I'd also like to be able to extract the excellent swing onto other programmed channels as well if that was possible to avoid the old swing conflict.

That's covered in the manual and in the videos. I'll let you read it.

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Originally posted by tehlord Richard Butler needs this

I've tried telling him that.

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Originally posted by cryophonik I'll let you read it.

Ok fair enough.

In my defence I'm installing and demo'ing it inbetween picking up spawn from nursery and making dinner.

Forgot about this.

Going to dump Battery 3, get this and map the fucker to my electribe

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Forgot about this.

Is that you talking yank?

As in New Yorker?

So that means it's good right?

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Originally posted by tehlord Is that you talking yank? As in New Yorker? So that means it's good right?

no you muppet, You've been watching waaaay to much goodfellas. I meant I saw dave post about this a while ago and have been looking for something more than just battery.

Aaahhhhhhh I read it as forget not forgot.

I'm gonna keep meh Battery3 as well for more acousticalz stuff as well. I get on well doing Tablas and t'ing using that.







Still want Maschine though

Incase you ******s were thinking this ****** only ever asks questions about shit he never buys....


I've just pulled the trigger on a Maschine

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Originally posted by cryophonik I've tried telling him that.

Ok, I'm about to buy this, pending a little more thought.
Question, I'm a keyboard player, I dislike inoutting notes with mouses and buttons.
Can I just play in a pattern where different kit parts such as the snare and kick are mapped to my midi keyboard?

Can I EASILY import samples from my collections and map each of these to the midi keys again?

Are there things like a hi hat kit, as I like to use a lot of hi hats in some tracks?

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Can I just play in a pattern where different kit parts such as the snare and kick are mapped to my midi keyboard?

Of course.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Can I EASILY import samples from my collections and map each of these to the midi keys again?

Of course.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Are there things like a hi hat kit, as I like to use a lot of hi hats in some tracks?

Not in the presets, at least not that I recall seeing, but you can easily build one using the factory samples, or your own.

Seriously, before you buy it, spend 45 minutes or whatever watching the videos I posted earlier in this thread. It will give you a very good idea of its capabilities. Download the demo, too, but it's important to keep in mind that the demo is a bit out of date - Steve has been adding a ton of features and fixes to the public beta (including 64-bit) and it will be released any time now. He also spends a lot of time on his forum keeping the users updated, answering questions, and taking suggestions on pretty much a daily basis.

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Originally posted by tehlord I've just pulled the trigger on a Maschine

Nice.

Cryo

I took your advice and bought NERVE. I couldn't be arsed with the demo, I'm an all or nothing, suck n see type.

Took 10 hours to dl the product and the WAV, whereas usually such things take seconds. Steve said to me it must be a problem my end.

Anyway will try and get this working tonight, but my studio PC is not online so this prooves a bit of a rigmarole with some products, well see.

I watched the vids you posted - pretty deep for a drum machine but hopefully should help me as until now I've made each drum part separately on it's own lane and it takes a long time.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Took 10 hours to dl the product and the WAV, whereas usually such things take seconds. Steve said to me it must be a problem my end.

Damn! I recall it taking an hour or so to download it when I bought it, but 10 hours?!

Be sure to spend some time diving into the groove extraction and pre-calc effects, as these are two areas where Nerve really shines IMO.

Ok the Maschine turned up today.

Lol


I haven't got a fucking clue.

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