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Mixing full dum roll to an uplifter. (Mixing help?)

Hey!

So i would love to hear ur opinion on mixing these kind of drums (aka. safri duo toms etc.) to trance.

As it stands the pattenr is not ready when i havent spended time, because its not important at start because im trying it to get them to fit on my mix. I have just skipped parts in this WIP.

How do they fit and how i can make it clear enough on my mix?

EVERY advice in this mix is also welcome, but as it stands this is just early wip and under heavy compression. (like hats are bad but im working on it)

So this is my WIP that i have spended few hours in. (No fx samples nothing yet) But i'm not here for the track content, just for mixing tips how i could fit those drums on the track?

Any advice where i should cut them and how they shoud be EQd and compressed reverbed and all that jizz?

Does anyone of you done anything similiar to this?

Any tips would be nice!!!

The toms sound really wet, very distant sounding in this mix.

You said you haven't used FX, so I'd suggest starting with some dry samples instead of already FX'ed ones.

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Originally posted by Julz The toms sound really wet, very distant sounding in this mix. You said you haven't used FX, so I'd suggest starting with some dry samples instead of already FX'ed ones.

Well i have actually compressed and pitched whit EQ them a little. But they sound very wet samples as you said. AND they do have little reverb!

Should i try to find different samples then? like more dark and subby? i don't really know is it even possible to fit that kind of roll to an uplifter but im just experimenting.

It depends what your trying to achieve with the toms. If you want them "upfront" so to speak they will not need much if any reverb.

Why did you compress them or eq it? I would only take 100hz and below off I doubt this sample needs compression.

Pleanty of good sample packs available with dry sounds.
Prime Loops Tribal Percussion Loops Pack is nice.

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Originally posted by Julz It depends what your trying to achieve with the toms. If you want them "upfront" so to speak they will not need much if any reverb. Why did you compress them or eq it? I would only take 100hz and below off I doubt this sample needs compression. Pleanty of good sample packs available with dry sounds. Prime Loops Tribal Percussion Loops Pack is nice.

Well you have a point, But in this case they feel so acoustic and wide that its impossible to fit them whitout EQing a tad at least. I havent done anything critical mostly, as you said just cutted the low end and taken little bit off of the 250 hz area, nothing big.

They might not need compressing, i'll need to experiment.

IF i'll add more dryness it creares less "in to the face" effect, right?

i might then try to use some drier ones on the main drumroll, and use these on the breakdown or something.

try increasing the volume to start.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney try increasing the volume to start.

actually now that you said it they really feel like worn to the background. But they can break the whole mix so need to be very careful whit these dbs

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Originally posted by Domesty Well you have a point, But in this case they feel so acoustic and wide that its impossible to fit them whitout EQing a tad at least. I havent done anything critical mostly, as you said just cutted the low end and taken little bit off of the 250 hz area, nothing big. They might not need compressing, i'll need to experiment. IF i'll add more dryness it creares less "in to the face" effect, right? i might then try to use some drier ones on the main drumroll, and use these on the breakdown or something.

Play around with reverb and you'll see what i mean, pushes a sounds further away when its surrounded by dry sounds. I wouldn't take off the 250hz area, thats most likely when most of the toms sound is anyways, why its sounding soo light and airy.

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Originally posted by Julz Play around with reverb and you'll see what i mean, pushes a sounds further away when its surrounded by dry sounds. I wouldn't take off the 250hz area, thats most likely when most of the toms sound is anyways, why its sounding soo light and airy.

Yeah, but it so easily interferes whit the kick and bass also, which are two most important elemnts in uplifters. But will get back to you if i get them sounding decent.

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Originally posted by Domesty actually now that you said it they really feel like worn to the background. But they can break the whole mix so need to be very careful whit these dbs

i can't hear them. You are asking how to mix something i can barely hear. start with the obvious. it isn't rocket science. Turn it up, then proceed.

And what the fuck is an uplifter ? I assumed you meant a type of fx. Now i'm actually thinking you are using this as an adjective to describe a genre.

You have about 5 layers too much going on. I would ditch everything but the basics and fit what you want on the order of how important it is to the track. Those drums won't work on a busy mix. So until you thin in out, forget about it.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney i can't hear them. You are asking how to mix something i can barely hear. start with the obvious. it isn't rocket science. Turn it up, then proceed.

in my case and mixing skills, i'd say that it isn't sience at all. More like creating sandcastles at the playground, but i'll try to see what i can do.

haha. Thats why i marked this as craplifting. Well it can be anything it sounds to you but usually i tend to mar my stuff as more of an uplifters than anything else. I dont really care about stricting yourself and listeners to one genre.

so as i said, it can be anything that it sounds to you. No need to judge my understanding of genres : D

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Originally posted by Domesty Yeah, but it so easily interferes whit the kick and bass also, which are two most important elemnts in uplifters. But will get back to you if i get them sounding decent.

Well this is where sound selection/mixing is important.

Kick seems to be lacking low end and really inst complimenting the bass, I would pan the tom. I actually am working on a track with toms being prominant so let me bounce it and show you when i can be bothered.

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Originally posted by Julz Well this is where sound selection/mixing is important. Kick seems to be lacking low end and really inst complimenting the bass, I would pan the tom. I actually am working on a track with toms being prominant so let me bounce it and show you when i can be bothered.

Actually i would really love that! And i'm not worrying about the kicks and other shit right now as i'm trying to squeeze them down bit by bit.

I just tried somehthing new and out of my comfort zone so i have no idea what i'm doing DD thats why i asked for help.

But please! show me if you can! i would really appreciate it (;

Will be tomorrow, Virus being gay and dont wanna reboot.

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Originally posted by Julz Will be tomorrow, Virus being gay and dont wanna reboot.

Will get back to ya then ( : and MANY THANKS!

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney i can't hear them. You are asking how to mix something i can barely hear.

Ditto. Turn those bitches up!

My general approach to punchy toms:

- lightly boost the punchy part of the lows and the attack portion of the highs (~1kHz), scoop the mids (i.e., find the mud and reduce it)

- Compress them fairly hard, even if they're samples - adjust the attack to allow the transient to come through, and use a moderate release to keep the decay level up; set a pretty high ratio (e.g., 10:1 or more) and start lowering the threshold until they start getting punchy and the decay portion of the tom is starting to get punchy. Revisit the EQ, if necessary, as heavy compression may bring out the muddiness even more.

- use a relatively short reverb and increase the pre-delay so that the attack of the tom isn't washed out.

Yeah, that was the general direction i was going for. These are professionally recorded samples, but i still need to edit these to get out the stuff i don't want.

I found that these are so well processed that i dont need much compression. If they would be dirty and unprocessed i would need compress hard but as it stands i dont need to. I have veryt nice and acoustic feeling WHEN im leaving them almost uncompressed. (I'm playing around them right now)

And i already got very short reverb on them. If you put too much tail it creates a lot of unwanted stuff in the mix.

But yeah! that cleared out a lot! need to play whit the EQ and try to see if that is any help! thanks! (:

This is how I would do it

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Originally posted by Julz This is how I would do it

Well, i'm going far more "happier" tune, that cannot include as subby drums what you have in your mix. I just cannot put as subby and dark toms that you have.

That is clear mix you got there, although i dont like your sub base that much (could be soundcloud).

I could use those kind of frums on the intro and breakdown etc. but i cant get them fit to chorus and etc..

BUT i think i found something, but my problem is theyr now on the background and i pushed them farther (still can be heared more clear than ever). But it kinda works. I needed much more reverb for that but i think i can kind of get away whit it. I'll show you when i progress little more!

thanks anyways! (;

Yea bass is not hitting the correct pitch as its partly going through a BP and key follow is not right.

Not sure what you wanna do with the toms then, look forward to hearing.

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