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Posted by La5eR on Mar-16-2012 15:29:

Happiness = Intelligence^-1

I have come to the realization that the more ppl research topics on humanity the more intelligent they become and thus their happiness decreases at an equal rate.

I have a personal account of this in the sense that studying deeper mathematical subjects, world-languages, and how laws originate. The less happy I become because of the flawed nature in the ways we communicate and obtain what is a relative false sense of security.

How so? Language should be universal and the only universal languages that have been and will always be universal are music and mathematics. All other languages due to their exclusionary property are flawed.

Laws are flawed: As we progress through life we realize we are only filling an 80 yr window out of the 17billion year house that is the universe. We lock people up, bring sanctions upon, and hamper what is inevitable. The dead of oneself and their "perpetrator" to then decay, cease emotional existence and be remerged with eachother. In the universe there is a universal code to be reconciled with yet we as humans only have a 2 light-year wide neighborhood sphere we think we govern when theres 16999999998 lightyears of the universe left. This is namely when a person "violates" human-morale-code of another we neglect to see the bigger picture. We will all end up in the bottom of some subduction zone, remelted, and re-erupted into the atmosphere of this planet to give fern and fauna new life in the future. These nitrogen, oxygen, hydrogen, carbon, and other atomic particulate will end up paired up with another "present-human" etc... The best part is, these atomic particulate wont be experiencing any emotions at a human level but emotions at a level of the 4 forces of nature: Strong, weak, gravitational, and electromagnetic. Furthermore, even this solar-system will cease to exist in 5billion years. Thus leaving the earth without a star and relegating it to wander aimlessly in the cold, dark, and desolate place space really is. If the earth is lucky a gravitational eddy of a passing astronomical body will grab hold of it and re synthesize it back to "life".

So the next time someone harms a loved one of yours, that it isnt actually harming them at all. It is just the combined resonance of their bio-chemical makeup making them the way they are. When they die, their emotions will cease, their body will decay, and be reabsorbed into the earth with that of their "perpetrator". Thus making that emotionally born 2 light-yeear human law flawed in design.


Posted by Halcyon+On+On on Mar-16-2012 16:26:

Individuals are thankfully flawed and faceted, and your jumbled argument is fated to be from an individualistic perspective. As is mine.

Laws are the collective supposition of the maximum social conduct prohibiting official reprisal, in an ideally democratic jurisdiction (of which there are so very few, genuine instances). They are the distillation of taboos that have guided the social conduct of our species, arbitrarily and otherwise, for as long as the cohesion of any given tribe or nation has perpetuated. Unhappiness, then, in this civic sensibility, is derivative of whom the individual might suppose to govern laws; whether it is by their consenting input, that of an adversarial majority, or a conspiratorial inner collective or cadre. Naturally, there are a variety of other domestic scenarios, but these are common sources for individual frustration within a democratic governance.

Language is even more nebulous still, seemingly guided by the mores and laws of universal utility, a kind of ether of memes and subtleties that only someone like Lira could possibly posit specific theories on. But it can be said that, in a general sense, its crystallization is a kind of regional extraction of involuntary polling, perhaps the only self-evident liberty mankind has consistently known, and why linguists such as Lira might be so consistently happy. In this sense, Mathematics is indeed a language, but not one of universality in an humanistic appeal, but more an observation of sorts - it can be used to communicate a multitude of unique ideas, yes, and represents several rigid byways of thought, but it can only be added to and amended, never forgotten or interpreted, as with the formation of words and imagery that music and dialect is in constant subjection to.

What does this amount to? Why, nothing less than the very potion of our species! Your relatively detached disdain is a direct result of the asynchronicity of viable collective chronology! You think too far ahead, far beyond any realm of your individual control or aims, and listlessly into the vacuum of what our embryonic paradigm might suppose to be stoic or insightful, but is, in a likewise ultimate sense, destined to be utterly incorrect, if the spirits of zeitgeists past are to be considered for even an instant. Happiness as an ideal is a calculated dream prescribed by those individuals who wish to profit from the extraction of your civility and obedience. With this in mind, knowledge is fulfilling, when communicated through the vapourous nuances of language and law, but in consideration of authority is a dead end to the ephemeral regime that dictates collectively national paradigm as doled out by propagandist medium, however subtle.

But now that you know this, TO THE VATS WITH HIM!


Posted by Vector A on Mar-16-2012 17:56:

Lots of heavy duty verbiage flying around up there.

"Happiness is the inverse of intelligence" is a myth that unhappy people use to comfort themselves. Hey, they might be sad, but at least they are smart!

I think that the opposite generalization is more accurate. Sharp people use their brains to build pleasant lives for themselves, which makes them more likely to be content.


Posted by Redd on Mar-16-2012 18:02:

In that case I'm stupid as fuck and unhappy with it as well. Shit.


Posted by Halcyon+On+On on Mar-16-2012 18:02:

quote:
Originally posted by Vector A
"Happiness is the inverse of intelligence" is a myth that unhappy people use to comfort themselves. Hey, they might be sad, but at least they are smart!

I think that the opposite generalization is more accurate. Sharp people use their brains to build pleasant lives for themselves, which makes them more likely to be content.


I can agree with this, but I also think that intelligence in a vacuum is bound to lead to discontent, as it, in itself, shall always be incomplete; It shall always be a struggle to obtain. Coming to terms with this is all part of maturation. The divisive point between merely possessing knowledge (no matter the scale) and actually being smart - as a semantic subtlety - is knowing when to be content with what fulfills you, and using intelligence as a mere means to achieve this. But nothing fulfilling comes without knowing the face of genuine sadness, either. That'd be the comedy of the potion.


Posted by OrangestO on Mar-16-2012 18:06:

Happiness has nothing to do with intelligence and everything to do with spirituality.


Posted by Vector A on Mar-16-2012 18:07:

quote:
Originally posted by Redd
In that case I'm stupid as fuck and unhappy with it as well. Shit.

There are exceptions. Many great artists come to mind.


Posted by Mattsanity. on Mar-16-2012 18:11:

quote:
Originally posted by OrangestO
Happiness has nothing to do with intelligence and everything to do with spirituality.


Posted by SYSTEM-J on Mar-16-2012 18:13:

OP, you have quite clearly not become more intelligent as a result of your reading. You have instead become that most irritating of entities: an idiot armed with knowledge he doesn't know how to use.


Posted by EddieZilker on Mar-16-2012 18:20:

quote:
Originally posted by OrangestO
Happiness has nothing to do with intelligence and everything to do with spirituality.


Please tell me you're being ironic.







EDIT: To ironicalally support Hal's premise in a way which undermines it.


Posted by Halcyon+On+On on Mar-16-2012 18:22:

quote:
Originally posted by EddieZilker
ironical.


Quoted before the edit!


Posted by Intellekshual on Mar-16-2012 18:24:

quote:
Originally posted by OrangestO
Happiness has nothing to do with intelligence and everything to do with spirituality.

That is the biggest load of bollocks I've ever heard.

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
OP, you have quite clearly not become more intelligent as a result of your reading. You have instead become that most irritating of entities: an idiot armed with knowledge he doesn't know how to use.

Give a dumbass an education, and you get a smartass.


Posted by Halcyon+On+On on Mar-16-2012 18:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Intellekshual
Give a dumbass an education, and you get a smartass.


Precisely why I kept my education to a near minimum; now I'm just an ass.


Posted by Lira on Mar-16-2012 18:37:

Re: Happiness = Intelligence^-1

quote:
Originally posted by La5eR
I have a personal account of this in the sense that studying deeper mathematical subjects, world-languages, and how laws originate. The less happy I become because of the flawed nature in the ways we communicate and obtain what is a relative false sense of security.

World-languages? You mean like... you studied Chinese and Spanish or...?

What flawed ways? Language works just fine

And how can learning languages make you feel more miserable? Unless, of course, you're sad you can't learn them... I can imagine it's frustrating. I for one believe it's impossible to feel sad and speak Spanish at the same time.
quote:
Originally posted by La5eR
How so? Language should be universal and the only universal languages that have been and will always be universal are music and mathematics. All other languages due to their exclusionary property are flawed.

Wait, why should they be universal? Not to mention that this is impossible, since you'd have to keep a very tight-knit global community for this to work anyway. Not even English, the world's contemporary Lingua Franca, can help diverging after a while.

quote:
Originally posted by Vector A
"Happiness is the inverse of intelligence" is a myth that unhappy people use to comfort themselves. Hey, they might be sad, but at least they are smart!

I think that the opposite generalization is more accurate. Sharp people use their brains to build pleasant lives for themselves, which makes them more likely to be content.

This. I also tend to find it ironic that, quite often, people who believe everyone else is stupid and they're God's gift to mankind are the most unoriginal people to have walked this Earth... and they tend to leave me wondering what's so special about their awesomeness.
quote:
Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Language is even more nebulous still, seemingly guided by the mores and laws of universal utility, a kind of ether of memes and subtleties that only someone like Lira could possibly posit specific theories on. But it can be said that, in a general sense, its crystallization is a kind of regional extraction of involuntary polling, perhaps the only self-evident liberty mankind has consistently known, and why linguists such as Lira might be so consistently happy.



I must admit the belief that languages are fascinating does cheer me up. Think about it: You effortlessly convey all your thoughts and ideas to a different person using an arbitrary system of signs and they GET IT. And a single person can speak more than one code, as I'm doing right now. Even if we don't speak a common language, there's this built-in belief that other people are rational creatures who will grasp the most basic thoughts and ideas and you can still exchange a few words in an ad hoc language (the so called pidgins).

If you believe this is obvious, then you need to hang around autistic children a bit more.


Posted by EddieZilker on Mar-16-2012 18:40:

quote:
Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Precisely why I kept my education to a near minimum; now I'm just an ass.


LIES! You're what happens when you educate a smart-ass.


Posted by Blake on Mar-16-2012 18:41:

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
OP, you have quite clearly not become more intelligent as a result of your reading. You have instead become that most irritating of entities: an idiot armed with knowledge he doesn't know how to use.


quote:
Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Individuals are thankfully flawed and faceted, and your jumbled argument is fated to be from an individualistic perspective.




Re:OP
It's a good thing I'm not at a computer right now, or this post would be a lot longer. When are people like you going to realize that everything is completely arbitrary, including not only mathematics, but the entire way in which we experience and understand existence as a whole! Haven't you considered the possibility that the true reasons for the ways in which the universe operates are reasons which our physicists and mathematicians have completely overlooked, or could not even begin to grasp at?

We're all making this shit up as we go along. It's time to let go, and be happy! How arrogant can you be to even comment on what happens to one's state of consciousness or being after death, as if it were fact.


Posted by Halcyon+On+On on Mar-16-2012 18:42:

What do you mean you people?!?!


Posted by Swamper on Mar-16-2012 18:46:

Wow... loving the vocabulary in here.

Carry on


Posted by Vector A on Mar-16-2012 18:47:

Re: Re: Happiness = Intelligence^-1

quote:
Originally posted by Lira
I also tend to find it ironic that, quite often, people who believe everyone else is stupid and they're God's gift to mankind are the most unoriginal people to have walked this Earth... and they tend to leave me wondering what's so special about their awesomeness.

Or they end up reinventing inferior versions of the wheel because they thought themselves too smart to first read about what others have already done.


Posted by Lira on Mar-16-2012 18:49:

quote:
Originally posted by Swamper


KEEP CALM and CARRY ON

Fixed
quote:
Originally posted by Vector A
Or they end up reinventing inferior versions of the wheel because they thought themselves too smart to first read about what others have already done.

Indeed. I've learned that the reason why it's important to study is because whatever original idea you think you have may well be a dead person's idea, so it's always nice to check how people in the past reacted to that.


Posted by Halcyon+On+On on Mar-16-2012 18:51:

Re: Re: Happiness = Intelligence^-1

quote:
Originally posted by Lira
If you believe this is obvious, then you need to hang around autistic children a bit more.


http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/....php?forumid=16


Posted by Lira on Mar-16-2012 18:53:

Re: Re: Re: Happiness = Intelligence^-1

quote:
Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/....php?forumid=16


Posted by Blake on Mar-16-2012 19:06:

quote:
Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
What do you mean you people?!?!



People like the OP, whom I suppose many of us were like at one point or another. There's a reason why all fields of human knowledge are rooted in philosophy. None of it is absolute! In my ponderings, I've come to the personal conclusion that:



All is paradox. Infinite degrees of meaning can be derived from that which is infinitely arbitrary, or meaningless.

And so, personal / spiritual growth is gained out of nothingness. Whether we take that growth with us after we die, is something we'll all have to find out individually, assuming we were ever even alive to begin with.


Posted by Vector A on Mar-16-2012 19:10:

After studying philosophy for many years I concluded that it was all a tedious and wasteful pile of crap.


Posted by pointPi on Mar-16-2012 19:45:

I first read it as "Happiness is the root to all intelligence", something I would gladly approve.

Sadly, I realized that it then had to be ^0.5, in order to be 'the root to'. I am sad now for being so dumb.

Seriously though, a more proper thesis would be "Happiness from ignorance is empty calories, and bring misery to others".


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