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Posted by WhiteRussian on Sep-02-2002 22:25:

Ecstasy effects 'may be imaginary'

Thought you would all like to know...
Hopefully we can soon all drop legally... not that it matters,

Ecstasy effects 'may be imaginary'

It's fun to read how all the scientists, well read upon in the area, downplays the danger with Ecstasy, compaired to the "poor parents" and "drug-warriors-" who just won't reason with doctors and scientists...

Posted by Ste on Sep-02-2002 23:02:

Re: Ecstasy effects 'may be imaginary'

quote:
Originally posted by WhiteRussian
Thought you would all like to know...
Hopefully we can soon all drop legally... not that it matters,

Ecstasy effects 'may be imaginary'

It's fun to read how all the scientists, well read upon in the area, downplays the danger with Ecstasy, compaired to the "poor parents" and "drug-warriors-" who just won't reason with doctors and scientists...

yeh i read about this today too, and posted it in the thread at the top, but nobody has seen it the effects on the whole arnt imaginary, but are just what you get from dacning to the early hours and for so long! if any of u have decided to one night without pills once like i have you will see you feel jsut the same after!

Posted by sothis on Sep-03-2002 02:03:

i find that being exhausted physically from dancing and staying up late is a field day compared to being emotionally null (and just emotionally fucked for like a week), and horribly cracked out to the point where i cant sleep well, and just feel incredibly shitty.

so although you can compare the two i think they are DRASTICALLY different

Posted by Tranz on Sep-03-2002 02:21:

Anyone who thinks XTC has no side effects is a wanker. Wait about 20 years, and wonder why your hands shake so bad you cant pull your pants down to take a piss. Your nervous system will be shot, not to mention your memory. "Wait, can you repeat that? I already forgot what you wrote."

Posted by tranceDJ on Sep-03-2002 02:28:

How do you explain the CAT scans of ecstasy user's brains that show large parts of the brain damaged...holes in the brain. They say the brain eventually learns to get around these "holes" but it takes time and parts of memory can be lost.

The thing that scares me about ecstasy is that no one knows what users will be like when they are much older since the drug only got popular towards the late 90s. You could be nearly fine when older or really messed up, only time will tell. However, this is probably talking heavy use here, as long as people only do it once in a while I think they'll be fine.

Posted by sothis on Sep-03-2002 02:31:

20 years in the future? how about 2 years? thats how long i took e HARDCORE... every weekend just about... varying from 1-4 pills. im now having to take anti psychotics to repair the damage it did to my seratonin and dopeamine levels (yes, i know it was caused by the mdma i did).

trust me, its not fun to be emotionally damaged because you loved a drug too much

Posted by tranceDJ on Sep-03-2002 03:22:

quote:
Originally posted by sothis
20 years in the future? how about 2 years? thats how long i took e HARDCORE... every weekend just about... varying from 1-4 pills. im now having to take anti psychotics to repair the damage it did to my seratonin and dopeamine levels (yes, i know it was caused by the mdma i did).

trust me, its not fun to be emotionally damaged because you loved a drug too much

I was talkin 20 years in the future from moderate use. It is known that hardcore use causes results like you had only after a couple of years. Well, at least you realized what was going on and stopped and are still alive even though it is probably a long road to recovery. Thats why I say if you feel the need to do drugs, do it in moderation.

Posted by Arbiter on Sep-03-2002 05:20:

There isn't a chemical compound in the world that will not severely damage your body in sufficient quantity, not even H20. So of course it can cause problems if you take it regularly - so can DayQuil. I think the biggest problem, is that science has yet to make a serious attempt at determining MDMA's interactions with other drugs (legal and otherwise). If any of these are magnifying its effects, much lower quantities could prove harmful. This isn't that hard a concept to grasp - the only reasons scientists publish their results in such an evasive manner is because they're afraid of the political implications of saying it is harmless in certain quantities (which I suspect it is, though the research on both sides has been conducted very poorly, so it is difficult to tell.)

In any case, I personally would recommend against taking it until such a time as the health concerns surrounding it might be clarified, but if it's a risk you're willing to take, then have fun.

Cheers,

Arbiter

Posted by jp on Sep-03-2002 12:18:

alcohol is still much worse.

Getting drunk every weekend damages your brain and your body even more than xtc.

And alcohol makes people agressive

Posted by UWM on Sep-03-2002 16:10:

quote:
Originally posted by jploveparade
alcohol is still much worse.

Getting drunk every weekend damages your brain and your body even more than xtc.

And alcohol makes people agressive

I agree 100%.

Who beats their girlfriend on mdma?
Who drives around and kills people on mdma?
Who starts fights on mdma?

Nobody.

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It has reached such epidemic proportions in America that they talk of Suicide Tuesday. That's because people who have taken Ecstasy at the weekend are feeling so suicidal by Tuesday that they kill themselves.

This boggles my mind. I have never heard of this. Maybe I am an anomlay, but I have never been depressed after dropping, even when doing it two nights in a row.

Posted by Ste on Sep-03-2002 16:25:

quote:
Originally posted by Tranzlucent
Anyone who thinks XTC has no side effects is a wanker. Wait about 20 years, and wonder why your hands shake so bad you cant pull your pants down to take a piss. Your nervous system will be shot, not to mention your memory. "Wait, can you repeat that? I already forgot what you wrote."

LMFAO you arrogant fuckwit, get a life and wake up to the truth u stupid fucking moron! yeh im sure you get all your wise words from the anti drug campaigners of america, another bunch of dumb arsed f�ckers!

Posted by Ste on Sep-03-2002 16:37:

Posted by Tranz on Sep-03-2002 16:59:

quote:
Originally posted by DuMonde TrAnCeR

LMFAO you arrogant fuckwit, get a life and wake up to the truth u stupid fucking moron! yeh im sure you get all your wise words from the anti drug campaigners of america, another bunch of dumb arsed f�ckers!

you wanker. i knew about xtc while you were stil lwetting your bed, and getting breast fed you ass. you think you know whats going on, but you're just another statistitic waiting to happen. another waste.

Posted by Renegade on Sep-03-2002 17:29:

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you wanker. i knew about xtc while you were stil lwetting your bed, and getting breast fed you ass. you think you know whats going on, but you're just another statistitic waiting to happen. another waste.

Really? What scientific journal do you write for? Perhaps you could give me a brief analysis of all the major studies you've conducted, or the conclusions you've reached from all those years of intense laboratory work? And do you have a joint degree in applied chemistry and neurology, or is your training in a more general field?

Or are you just talking bollocks?

Posted by Tranz on Sep-03-2002 18:05:

quote:
Originally posted by Renegade

Really? What scientific journal do you write for? Perhaps you could give me a brief analysis of all the major studies you've conducted, or the conclusions you've reached from all those years of intense laboratory work? And do you have a joint degree in applied chemistry and neurology, or is your training in a more general field?

Or are you just talking bollocks?

I only have about 10 years of research, so the long term results are still not complete, although it doesn't look good. Most of you must really be idiots, I swear. No wonder I can't carry normal conversations with you zombies.

Posted by frontebb on Sep-03-2002 18:09:

When you can't "get it up" anymore- you will regret the ignorance you fellas spew about this drug. Shame...

Posted by sothis on Sep-03-2002 18:41:

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u shud of taken 5htp

actually, i took 5-htp quite religiously. id usually take one when i got up the next morning (as taking it when you are coming down can be counter productive), one or two that night after i got up, one the next day... etc.

i also would take it before hand.

it might help if you are taking it once every few weeks, but if you are a hardcore user, you are still going to have damage.

Posted by jp on Sep-03-2002 18:56:

quote:
Originally posted by caroline
When you can't "get it up" anymore- you will regret the ignorance you fellas spew about this drug. Shame...

I have been using it for 10 years now, no problems at all.

BTW ever heard of Viagra?

Posted by frontebb on Sep-03-2002 19:12:

I seriously hope you are NOT bragging or proud?

Anyway, Viagra might work to get you going, but how much of a jack ass would you feel to have to depend on that in order to get off each time? That would be a sad tale. Maybe even funny?
But hey, whatever floats your boat dude.

Posted by abracadabra on Sep-03-2002 19:19:

As long as you guys know when enough is enough. try to stay in the fun area of drugs(wherever that maybe)or you WILL eventually end up in the deep water

Posted by jp on Sep-03-2002 19:25:

quote:
Originally posted by caroline
I seriously hope you are NOT bragging or proud?

Anyway, Viagra might work to get you going, but how much of a jack ass would you feel to have to depend on that in order to get off each time? That would be a sad tale. Maybe even funny?
But hey, whatever floats your boat dude.

I know for a fact most Brasilians like fucking up their brain with ACID/LSD

how bout that

Posted by Tranz on Sep-03-2002 19:29:

quote:
Originally posted by jploveparade

I know for a fact most Brasilians like fucking up their brain with ACID/LSD

how bout that

This wanker from the Netherlands, who wants to be from Germany thinks he has a clue about what goes on in South America. What a retard. You're starting to get funny again bjloveparade.

Posted by DJ-Ande on Sep-03-2002 19:55:

Re: Re: Ecstasy effects 'may be imaginary'

quote:
Originally posted by DuMonde TrAnCeR

yeh i read about this today too, and posted it in the thread at the top, but nobody has seen it the effects on the whole arnt imaginary, but are just what you get from dacning to the early hours and for so long! if any of u have decided to one night without pills once like i have you will see you feel jsut the same after!

agreed, so why the goverment put it as a class A drug then??????????????? (or B)

thats what i don't understand

Posted by jp on Sep-03-2002 20:07:

quote:
This wanker from the Netherlands, who wants to be from Germany thinks he has a clue about what goes on in South America. What a retard. You're starting to get funny again bjloveparade.

go play with Lego�

Posted by UWM on Sep-03-2002 21:22:

quote:
Originally posted by Tranzlucent

I only have about 10 years of research, so the long term results are still not complete, although it doesn't look good. Most of you must really be idiots, I swear. No wonder I can't carry normal conversations with you zombies.

I'm curious where you've done your research, and I would like to peruse any publications you might be responsible for. I love your ignorant blanket comments in your posts (such as the one I've quoted), it makes your arguments look all that more intelligent. Oh, and when I've finished my three majors on the Dean's List at a very respectible University this Spring, we can argue as to who is the zombie ...

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