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Posted by MIKE333ACE on Apr-17-2012 10:05:

Have I Finally Made My First Un-Muddy, Good Bassline???

Spent the last few days fixing up this bassline and I'm wanting to know if it generally sounds good.

The main thing I've worked on here is to make sure that I avoid any muddiness. So, have I done a good job of it??



Please give some feedback, and if you like what you hear, give my Facebook page that I started yesterday a "like."

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Micha...415346861810785

Cheers,

MH


Posted by Richard Butler on Apr-17-2012 14:00:

Listening on little pc speakers this sounds real nice to me. The kicks you choose I still don't like but that's personal preference. I think I read you saying you were looking into other sample packs. Those Vengeance ones for me are too plastic bucket being hit sounding.

Looks like your on your way to becomming a decent producer, afterall your'e pretty determined it seems.


Posted by Maxwell Perkins on Apr-17-2012 17:47:

Sounds good man!


Posted by Peter Campbell on Apr-17-2012 20:55:

yea getting there with the bassline. Im the same as Richard Butler with the kick, try another sample


Posted by Nrjetik on Apr-18-2012 04:38:

I think the bassline sounded nice but it seems the mids were cut out too much. If you increase it a little bit, it would bring back the fullness of the bass. It would also compliment the kick a lot more.


Posted by MIKE333ACE on Apr-19-2012 01:05:

Thanks to all the replies here so far guys, I'll definitely try out some of these ideas.

Cheers


Posted by Cedric K. on Apr-19-2012 12:52:

yep, sounds clean and decent. i like the 'groove' of the track, sounds fluent and btw i don't have a problem with the kick


Posted by MIKE333ACE on Apr-20-2012 00:49:

quote:
Originally posted by Cedric K.
yep, sounds clean and decent. i like the 'groove' of the track, sounds fluent and btw i don't have a problem with the kick

YES!! Finally, someone that likes, or atleast doesnt have a problem with the kick! Haha, thanks for the feedback, and it's also good to know that you like the groove of it, I worked on that a fair bit.

Cheers


Posted by Julz on Apr-20-2012 18:47:

Very Tyas-ie indeed.


Posted by TranceLover007 on Apr-20-2012 21:25:

Not bad at all, you getting there lol - now looks like you took care of around 2% of your track so 98% left and I would like to see where you going with this track after at least 10% - all the best man.

Darek


Posted by MIKE333ACE on Apr-21-2012 03:52:

quote:
Originally posted by TranceLover007
Not bad at all, you getting there lol - now looks like you took care of around 2% of your track so 98% left and I would like to see where you going with this track after at least 10% - all the best man.

Darek

Cheers for this. atm im struggling to get any good ideas on where to go from here. i cant find a way to incorporate my main melody into it, but I'll keep trying, and hopefully i'll get there soon.

Cheers


Posted by Evolve140 on Apr-21-2012 07:23:

Yeah bassline is fine. Kick is still a little boomy though. Did you ever check out figuring out how to mess with the envelope of your kick sample? You can shorten the kick by shortening the sustain, but play around with it... may not be just the kick drum sample. But it just boils down to a matter of taste, seems fine. However, if you listen to things like FSOE and Daniel Kandi the kick is more powerful and short.

I know it's just supposed to demonstrate the bassline, but it does get quite repetitive. Automating filters and delay can have awesome effects for this kind of bassline though.


Posted by MIKE333ACE on Apr-21-2012 07:37:

quote:
Originally posted by Evolve140
Yeah bassline is fine. Kick is still a little boomy though. Did you ever check out figuring out how to mess with the envelope of your kick sample? You can shorten the kick by shortening the sustain, but play around with it... may not be just the kick drum sample. But it just boils down to a matter of taste, seems fine. However, if you listen to things like FSOE and Daniel Kandi the kick is more powerful and short.

I know it's just supposed to demonstrate the bassline, but it does get quite repetitive. Automating filters and delay can have awesome effects for this kind of bassline though.

Thanks for this, I'll try shortening the kick a bit, and yeah, when the track is finished it'll be full of awesome filter sweeps and effects like that, so dw :P

Thanks once again


Posted by Evolve140 on Apr-21-2012 07:53:

No problem. What I would do is create a solid chord progression. Then, take that bassline you've developed and loop an 8 bar with the bassline playing the bass note of each chord in the progression. Then, choose a piano or polyphonic instrument that can play your chords fully, to give you an idea of the melodic and harmonic aspects of the progression you've selected, then you can have a foundation to write melody and figure out where a hook might lay, and where your melodic counter point exists. Good trance tracks have excellent melody and counter point.

what you have now is basically just production without real music - it never hurts to have a good mixdown and good instruments, although, it's actually easier to produce well than it is to write good songs. the musicality of your track will depend more on the actual chord progression, melody and counter point. you may not be able to play it in a club (hypothetically, a track that isn't well produced but has musical qualities - production seems to be way easier than quality song writing, there are tons of over produced tracks lacking musicality played out in clubs everywhere) but at least it has musical components. don't forget, great melodies are forged through the rhythm and timing of the composition just as they are with note selection, so keep that in mind for your overall groove once you do get to that point.

i won't rant on, just work hard unabated, and maybe even without feedback for a couple weeks, to let your own mechanisms go to work. you must develop musical problem solving skills internally, which i'm sure you're trying to do, but try to do your own thing and see how well that goes. if you hit a brick wall, there's always the forum.

cheeeyas matey


Posted by MIKE333ACE on Apr-21-2012 08:43:

quote:
Originally posted by Evolve140
No problem. What I would do is create a solid chord progression. Then, take that bassline you've developed and loop an 8 bar with the bassline playing the bass note of each chord in the progression. Then, choose a piano or polyphonic instrument that can play your chords fully, to give you an idea of the melodic and harmonic aspects of the progression you've selected, then you can have a foundation to write melody and figure out where a hook might lay, and where your melodic counter point exists. Good trance tracks have excellent melody and counter point.

what you have now is basically just production without real music - it never hurts to have a good mixdown and good instruments, although, it's actually easier to produce well than it is to write good songs. the musicality of your track will depend more on the actual chord progression, melody and counter point. you may not be able to play it in a club (hypothetically, a track that isn't well produced but has musical qualities - production seems to be way easier than quality song writing, there are tons of over produced tracks lacking musicality played out in clubs everywhere) but at least it has musical components. don't forget, great melodies are forged through the rhythm and timing of the composition just as they are with note selection, so keep that in mind for your overall groove once you do get to that point.

i won't rant on, just work hard unabated, and maybe even without feedback for a couple weeks, to let your own mechanisms go to work. you must develop musical problem solving skills internally, which i'm sure you're trying to do, but try to do your own thing and see how well that goes. if you hit a brick wall, there's always the forum.

cheeeyas matey

Cheers, I already have a main melody. I'm just trying to find a way to integrate it into the track. And yeah, i guess experimenting myself is the best way to learn how to do so.

Here are the 2 possible melodies i may use for the track if you want to hear them. Do you think they could work??

http://www.sendspace.com/file/g3dchq

Cheers


Posted by Evolve140 on Apr-22-2012 06:17:

what is this? just upload to SC and embed mang


Posted by MIKE333ACE on Apr-22-2012 06:22:

quote:
Originally posted by Evolve140
what is this? just upload to SC and embed mang

lol, its a midi. anyway, im soon going to upload what i have so far onto soundcloud cos ive finally made some progress. I'll most likely do it tomorrow.



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