How to make a professional trance/house kick drum

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Posted by Beatflux on Apr-17-2012 18:53:

How to make a professional trance/house kick drum

Sample it.

Posted by Raphie on Apr-17-2012 18:54:

METRUM

Posted by DJ RANN on Apr-17-2012 19:31:

Re: How to make a professional trance/house kick drum

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Originally posted by Beatflux
Sample it.

Posted by MSZ on Apr-17-2012 19:53:

Oh god help, im stuck with an awesome kick but everything else sucks, tips?

Posted by cryophonik on Apr-17-2012 20:00:

Re: How to make a professional trance/house kick drum

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Originally posted by Beatflux
Sample it.

I thought the correct answer was don't use Cubase.

Posted by Beatflux on Apr-17-2012 20:13:

Re: Re: How to make a professional trance/house kick drum

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Originally posted by cryophonik
I thought the correct answer was don't use Cubase.

LOL

Posted by DJ RANN on Apr-17-2012 20:13:

Re: Re: How to make a professional trance/house kick drum

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Originally posted by cryophonik
I thought the correct answer was don't use Cubase.

Lol, I know. I have no idea why this one is rearing it's ugly head again. It does actually amaze me about these urban audio myths that keep popping up. It only takes one muppet on anjuna forums to repeat it and we all endure the ripples for years to come.

God forbid someone mentions using KRK's with a sub on there

Posted by tehlord on Apr-18-2012 09:12:

Re: Re: Re: How to make a professional trance/house kick drum

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Originally posted by DJ RANN

God forbid someone mentions using KRK's with a sub on there

Yeah but Tyas uses KRKs you fool.

Posted by Excess on Apr-18-2012 14:19:

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Originally posted by tehlord
Yeah but Tyas uses KRKs you fool.

you know, with all your regular tyas nuthugging, i don't know whether this comment is real life or not

<3

Posted by Richard Butler on Apr-18-2012 14:51:

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Originally posted by DJ RANN
Lol, I know. I have no idea why this one is rearing it's ugly head again. It does actually amaze me about these urban audio myths that keep popping up. It only takes one muppet on anjuna forums to repeat it and we all endure the ripples for years to come.

God forbid someone mentions using KRK's with a sub on there

I took it with a pinch of salt on the anjuna forum, the guy who said it was a pretty decent French producer so I couldn't entriely ignore it ........ mmmm maybe I could

plus

so far all my kicks sound crunchy and brittle and woody, even when not tweaked at all. I mainly use WA minimal techno kicks.

Dunno, maybe I have a special kick de-awesomiser vst installed that I forgot about.

PS - I'm well aware how insane this sounds. Perhpas I'm imagining shit, like when I had my first girlfriend - she was fat

Posted by meriter on Apr-18-2012 19:12:

Your imaginary girlfriend was fat?

Posted by jayxthekoolest on Apr-18-2012 19:20:

if you guys need to sample a kick drum to sound professional, don't bother trying to "make it" in music.

Posted by cryophonik on Apr-18-2012 19:39:

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Originally posted by jayxthekoolest
if you guys need to sample a kick drum to sound professional, don't bother trying to "make it" in music.

Yes, because everybody who has made a career out of music knows how to create a kick drum and no one has ever gotten famous using samples.

Posted by Beatflux on Apr-18-2012 20:25:

quote:
Originally posted by jayxthekoolest
if you guys need to sample a kick drum to sound professional, don't bother trying to "make it" in music.

PLZ STFU

Posted by TranceElevation on Apr-18-2012 23:17:

A bad workman always blames his tools.

Posted by Rodri Santos on Apr-18-2012 23:53:

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Originally posted by cryophonik
Yes, because everybody who has made a career out of music knows how to create a kick drum and no one has ever gotten famous using samples.

Daft Punk?

Posted by chris marsh on Apr-19-2012 08:57:

ive tried making kicks. Getting the "tail" seems easy enough using positive pitch modulation on a sine wave (or triangle i guess) but getting the attack phase right seems quite hard - short of taking the attack off another kick sample and using that.

Anyone got any tips for this?

Posted by tehlord on Apr-19-2012 09:34:

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Originally posted by chris marsh
ive tried making kicks. Getting the "tail" seems easy enough using positive pitch modulation on a sine wave (or triangle i guess) but getting the attack phase right seems quite hard - short of taking the attack off another kick sample and using that.

Anyone got any tips for this?

You can use any sharp sound really, like a hat or even some snappily filter modulated white noise.

Posted by Richard Butler on Apr-19-2012 10:46:

quote:
Originally posted by chris marsh
ive tried making kicks. Getting the "tail" seems easy enough using positive pitch modulation on a sine wave (or triangle i guess) but getting the attack phase right seems quite hard - short of taking the attack off another kick sample and using that.

Anyone got any tips for this?

Alittle natural sounding very short ambient verb on the attack phase often brings a kick to life, but it needs a lot care to get the verb sitting right and not too obvious.

Posted by Beatflux on Apr-19-2012 18:11:

I've tried making a good kick in a couple of synths, and it never comes out right.

I think it has something to do with the pitch curve...maybe its something you can't do with a normal envelope.

Posted by vercetti on Apr-19-2012 18:49:

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Originally posted by Beatflux
maybe its something you can't do with a normal envelope.

You're right linear is no good, need exponential envelope, but every drum synth has it.

Posted by Beatflux on Apr-19-2012 19:46:

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Originally posted by vercetti
You're right linear is no good, need exponential envelope, but every drum synth has it.

No...

I have a bunch of pro kicks I reference and I still can't get it with an exponential curve.

Posted by Rodri Santos on Apr-19-2012 21:18:

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Originally posted by Beatflux
I've tried making a good kick in a couple of synths, and it never comes out right.

I think it has something to do with the pitch curve...maybe its something you can't do with a normal envelope.

Nearly all the synths have a kickdrum in their presets, Sylenth has or Z3ta i am not sure in which of this 2 or both, see how it's programmed and you'll get an idea of how to continue with your project.

there are thousands of libraries and the only kicks i'd love to reproduce are the ones of 1995-2000, just a lil bit of low end and a strong mid section. Unfortunately when i used one of this on a track people found it strange.

Posted by chris marsh on Apr-20-2012 00:19:

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Originally posted by vercetti
You're right linear is no good, need exponential envelope, but every drum synth has it.

i was reading the other day that you can turn a normal envelope into either convex or concave by using the mod matrix in the synth. I left the book at work but i believe it was assign decay to decay - amd whether you choose a positive or negative modulation it gives you either concave or convex. I tried it out and it does seem to work too.... but as you say drum synths have adjustable envelopes anyway. Waldorf attack is a nice one but a bit fiddly.....

oh and thanks for the tips i shall try them out