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Which to you prefer, a cd mixed digitally(using a sequencer such as pro tools) or a cd mixed live on decks?
I prefer digital.
(i would of made this a poll but i dont know how)
sequencers are just lame, vinyl decks are the past, the present, and the future 
"imma OldSkool DJ i gots ta have my VINYL"
well, i had 2 cd players the past half year , last week i sold my cd players and bought 2 Technics....TURNTABLES ROXXX!!!!!! MUCH more fun!!
I don't think you ppl understood the question.............
this is not another "what would you rather mix? CD's or Vinyl?" question..........
the question is: when you buy a CD like "Sensation" or "Magik" where the tracks are mixed in it, then would you prefer it mixed by a DJ (on decks, live recording)? or mixed by a studio crew (by computer)?
anyway, if the DJ is good, then I, personaly, see no difference.......
I must say that i preferr it live live live.....there's nothing that can beat the sound of the crowd screaming and claping to the music......makes my spine go icey all the time 
I defintely prefer a digital cd recorded by studio or computer. For three main reasons:
1. Sound quality is much better the standard live recordings.
2. I hate noise interference by the crowd, I dont care for it, especially when it includes annoying MCs.
3. Mixing is usually more precise.
people don't forget that many cd commercially released were edited post mix
and mixing , no doubt about it, VINYL,
I can't believe people pop out this debate every other day , you are lame, that's what you are, and yeah I'm starting a flame war with every single person that mixes digital, and I will back it up if you wanna hustle.
DON'T EVER TELL ME: cd mixing rocks over vinyl or I will punch you in the face for being a wanker. 
i like em both. Vinyl is more fun tho. but really. lets face it they both have there advantages!
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| Originally posted by methose i like em both. Vinyl is more fun tho. but really. lets face it they both have there advantages! |
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| Originally posted by AFTERNATIVE well, i had 2 cd players the past half year , last week i sold my cd players and bought 2 Technics....TURNTABLES ROXXX!!!!!! MUCH more fun!! |
Most mixed cd's are edited, and the sets by huge dj's are filtered and edited many times ( I read 40 somewhere lately); not to mention the retrys they all have, if you think pvd made his politics of dancing cd in one go, your damn wrong, I dont' know for sure, but he probably did some of the harder mixes many times.
I prefer vinyl still, to me its the principle of the relationship that the dj and record have, its much more personal, and sometimes I think it can make a huge difference in the vibe etc....
I think a lot of people didnt really understand the question so ill try and make it a little more clearer, jdat, pay attention!
Some CDs are made via a DJ playing vinyl on decks and then the set being mastered in a studio to improove sound quality etc. Tall Paul allways records his CDs like this.
Some CDs are made via a DJ playing vinyl on decks and then being cut up in a studio, some bits removed, some bits added, different sessions being mashed together and then it being mastered. I believe Lisa Lashes records her CDs like this.
And Some CDs are made totally in a Studio using a sequencer software package such as Pro Tools. Gatecrasher CDs are made like this and this is generally whats known as a digitally mixed CD.
This is NOT a question of which is better, CD mixing or Vinyl, which the vast majority of DJs do both neway.
Which of these methods do you prefer, i prefer the last one, digitall mixing(NOT CD MIXING !!!!!!!!).
i c now, my ansa still is vinyl
Digital (Protools etc.) OR Live WITH crowd.
But I hate it when CD's are mixed with vinyl and you can notice the DJ's poor mixing skills (if they are very obvious) Example: ISOS 3
My point : If you're gonna do a mix cd on live TT's, you'd better be really good!
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| Originally posted by ampburner If you're gonna do a mix cd on live TT's, you'd better be really good! |
I prefer to hear it done on decks. I love hearing those fat beats start cancelling eachother out, lets me know someone with some real skillz has done the work, and not some geek with a mouse and a bunch of mp3's. I hate cd's that have been "fixed up".
I remember listening to one of the Aus' MOS Hard NRG cds and one of the songs had the entire middle section cut out, as though nobody would notice. Well i noticed, and i have no respect for anything released by MOS anymore
Iv never said nething harsh on this forum b4 but i can't think of a nice way of putting this.
The above comment was just up its own arse. It was so typical of a lot of DJs today, the view that people that mix in a different manor, digital, cd or mp3 are "geeks" or wanabe's or whatever. I mean for fucks sake, these so called geeks who use studios are the people that make the vinyl in the first place and are 10 times more important to trance music than somebody who in essence is just playing somebody elses music. Don't get me wrong, i love to DJ and i love Djyn with vinyl but im tired of all the bolox surrounding DJin where by DJs get more credit than the people making the tunes.
Oh yeah, n i cant stand it when beats cancel each other out, its just bad DJin, kill the base and sort it out.
Sorry in advance.
fuck man, take it easy, and recognise a joke when you read one.
But that doesn't mean i go back on my thoughts on studio edited mixes. My anger isn't towards people who work in studios but those who get by with crappy mixes only to have them fixed up and then have peopele say every two minutes how great they are. That's where my problem lies.
Why does everyone have to jump out as soon as they read something they don't agree with
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| Originally posted by jdat indeed but still ... seriously ... replacing ... Vinyl ... with cds ..????? not about to happen |
Yeah, sorry cheggy, didnt mean to have a go. Just get a bit to involved sometimes .
I h8 it when DJs get there stuff edited in a studio and then they say its mixed by them to. Its just i quite like it when a cd is made in a studio and then they dont say its mixed by neone, like the gatecrasher cds or the dark trance cds, its like theve been put together as well as they possibly can be and the aim is always perfection.
Sorry.
Agreed with tom 
A lot of people here are gettign the wrong end of the stick and not understanding the question properly.
What he's trying to say is that some mixed CD's, that you buy in the shop, are made by hooking up a pair of actual vinyl turntables to recording equipment, recording a mix, then mastering it to sort out sound quality etc, and releasing it.
Other CDs are made entirely on a computer. No actual mixing is involved here, whether by vinyl or by CDs. What happens is that sound files on the computer are moved around on the screen, cut and pasted, timestretched, etc. This is not done live, and the person doing it can keep tweaking it until it is perfect. While this takes a lot of skill, it is still far easier to create a perfect mix using this technique than by using a pair of analogue turntables, which require timing, manual dexterity and cueing skills.
Remember: This is COMPLETLEY different from mixing on a computer with e.g. VTT, AtomixMP3, BPM Studio or whatever, as these are done live. Digitally mixed CDs are not done live and may take hours and hours, rather than 74 minutes or whatever.
That said, I prefer CDs that are mixed with a pair of turntables. It shows that someone has used real DJing talent to make the CD, and hasn't sat down in front of a computer for a few hours and created exactly the same mix that someone else would have done given the same tracks and the same computer program. I like different mixes by different people to be different! And I like it when there are little mistakes here and there in the mix - it shows the DJ is human, and it also reassures me about my own mixing!
And the point made by Tom earlier about cancelling beats showing that you are a bad DJ - Your argument is entirely invalid. This is a natural ocurrence in sound.
Sound waves (especially beats) are a series of peaks and troughs. A bass beat will be typically be between about 50 Hz (50 peaks and troughs per second) and about 200 Hz (200 peaks and troughs per second). When two peaks or two troughs or the same frequency coincide, the two add to each other and increase in volume. When a peak and a trough of the same frequency occur together, they cancel each other out, reducing the volume.
Of course, to entirely eliminate this phenomenon, you could cut the bass from one track, and then immediately switch and cut the bass from the other track, while at the same time slamming the bass back in from the fisrt track. But in many situations, this is bad DJing. A lot of the time you will want to have a smooth mix, which means gradually fading from one track to the other. So, when the two basses are equal (at the halfway-point or whatever) you will get cancelling beats.
the sound of canceling beats is great for me!!!!! it gives me alot of satisfaction when I'm mixing in my home...... gives me the feeling that I'm getting better at my mixing.....
Well to each his own i gues, i still dont like it when beats cancell each other out and i do understand why they do which is why i started cutting the bass. If i played house i would let the bass destructively interfer, as it is more important to produce a smooth mix but i play hard trance and with those hard kicks and deep bass sounds in my opinion it sounds awful when both bass sounds are in. My favourite part of doing a mix is now switching between the bass so it sounds smooth or like its meant to be there. The best way to do this is switch em after a build up but there are lots of tricks to make it smoother. For example in a build up start pulling the low out of the tune your mixing out of so by the time its about to kick in youv cut the bass, then bang the bass of the other tune in at the kick in. This also works at the end of 32 or 64 beats but it works better thick in a build up. If there aint a build up you can use a delay effect set at 1/8th which can supply a bit of a build up by creating a skipping effect. I do that on a pioneer djm500 but its a simple effect so ne descent effects mixer should be able to do it.
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