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Just a cool thing i kinda started doing. Basically, it is a little like MB compression but instead of a compressor, you are applying a bit of rhythmical amplitude change in a certain band. Kinda the technique of using a uythmic trigger for a side chain on a pad but using new tools that allow you to do more.

So basically, you split into seperate bands, say on a drum or bass or both, Now you seperate that into say 3 - 4 bands. now on say the bass range, use a tool like cableguys volume shaper.

Basically, you are taking a somewhat static path that is constant , applying a slight change in volume to give your track this sort of motion that you can't really hear but you feel. \

I think the reason i started doing it was i noticed that just using a kick and snare and nothing else, i noticed that it just didn't groove. I know, how does just a snare and kick groove if they are on quarter notes with nothing else to reference those elements but when you do this, you can get this sort of motion in the bass region that is subtle but awesome.

I mean alot of people sort of do it with kicks where they will layer a subkick with no attack and delay that so the kick has the initial punch and then this sub component that sort of gives you this rhythmic lead to the snare.

It is really subtle, like 3 db in change, but ya, something cool to try.

Lets hear what you got.

What I like to do is I take the beat and lay it out nice on a clean platter, then I have about two tablespoons of Tabasco Chee-poht-lay sauce, one tablespoon sweet paprika, about 2,5 teaspoons of cilantro and a fine sprinkling of salt, pepper and chocolate habaneros. Then I let it marinate for about 4 hours, covered in room temp before I throw it on the grill should be at about 550 degrees, depending on the phatness of the beat.

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Originally posted by MSZ Lets hear what you got.

+1

i told you what to do.

The particular track i'm doing is going to be released and showing something that isn't finished is just bad business. I don't usually volunteer information so ya, the fact that i did means it is something cool you should try. The idea is do sort of give a bass note that is longer than an 8th a sort of implied 8th note groove to it. again, very subtle. Just think of say one long bass note, and you could adjust the filter so that it sounds like you are playing a rythm, this is sort of the same but you don't lose the bass top. And you can shape your kick sub.

on another note, side chaining is pointless with these sorts of tools. I mean you have so much more control, why anyone would side chain well i can think of a few reasons but not for the kind of stuff most people do.

check out cable guys volume tool, for logic it is my favorite. lfo tools works as well but with logic , you need to run it as an instrument effect.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney i told you what to do. The particular track i'm doing is going to be released and showing something that isn't finished is just bad business. I don't usually volunteer information so ya, the fact that i did means it is something cool you should try. The idea is do sort of give a bass note that is longer than an 8th a sort of implied 8th note groove to it. again, very subtle. Just think of say one long bass note, and you could adjust the filter so that it sounds like you are playing a rythm, this is sort of the same but you don't lose the bass top. And you can shape your kick sub. on another note, side chaining is pointless with these sorts of tools. I mean you have so much more control, why anyone would side chain well i can think of a few reasons but not for the kind of stuff most people do. check out cable guys volume tool, for logic it is my favorite. lfo tools works as well but with logic , you need to run it as an instrument effect.

Oooo...I know what you're talking about.

Sometimes those vengeance hihat open samples will have a low closed hihat spaced an 8th apart that gives the hit kind of a groovy feel.

Post an audio dude, of just the drums and bass.

I've often used volume automation on for example the sub bass as it sometimes can give you a better jiggle than just sidechaining.

Just can't wait to hear your track and see where I've been going so wrong. Especially the groove you got so pinned, be like learnin sabre dualin wit Yoda.

i was helping you fucks. I was pretty clear wasn't I ?

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney i was helping you fucks. I was pretty clear wasn't I ?

Clear as your mic collection, career, andromeda

i told you the condition of those pictures. It really is up to you. So please stop bringing that up. You want to see it, i need a picture of you and your ugly wife to validate my predictions. And my career, i've posted enough stuff here that if you can't put the pieces together, then you are an idiot. I might be annoying but i have never ever posted anything that i could not or didn't back up. But posting pictures because some dumb fuck needs proof, or in this case some sort of proof rather than interest makes me a monkey. And i'm not a monkey.

pics or it didn't happen

peer pressure doesn't work on me. You are going to have to appeal to my ego in a subversive way.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney peer pressure doesn't work on me. You are going to have to appeal to my ego in a subversive way.

You consider me a "peer" wow, breakthrough alert...

i value your ability to make thankful for all my awesomeness.

you're good L4C, you're good....

How do you separate the signal into more bands? Direct hz cut or is there some bleeding? And do you keep the M/S properties constant over the bands or do you shape the sound say less side on the bottoms or maybe a nice vase shape or something?

use the old school MB method , you send the signal to 4 busses, and apply EQ. I tend to use a linear EQ for this. For bass, m/s i suppose doesn't really make a difference. But for other bands, that is something i haven't tried; I just thought it was cool and never really saw anyone do it this way. And if I find something cool, chances are others will do. I'm sure others have done it, but i would say my main hat is not even production but ya, it is cool, it can be used for a lot of things.

I think the idea is to create motion without actually doing something that demands attention. So sbutle manipulations can make a difference instead of implying a groove with layers of loops/. The groove is sort of imprinted to the group you are using it on.

cable guys volume shaper is really worth it; It is very accurate in terms of sync which i honestly can't say about alot of DAW automation .

Multi band processing is awesome, I've been using it quite a bit, but yeah mostly with side-chaining and subtle filter automation with the split bands. Might have to give that volume shaping plug a crack, just curious on the benefits of that vs. normal volume automation?

Just curious if you run into phase inversion problems doing this? It sounds like they must be separated enough where it doesn't happen. I haven't tried running the same sound through multiple busses at once, mainly because my DAW doesn't allow it (I have to copy tracks and then run them into separate busses, but that does cause phase inversion problems at times).

Sounds like a good method for creating rhythm where it didn't initially exist. Is it better because you have more control, or because it doesn't sound like that "side-chain" sound?

just more control. I mean you have a huge screen to edit the actual volume. With as many nodes as you want. In terms of phase, I think you just have to be careful where you split the band, and using linear EQ for the split , and not mixing it back with the original.

It is just volume manipulation so phasing is not so important. There is also lfo tool where you can use a filter rather than volume to shape your bottom.

I just use Ableton's multiband compressor to split the bands. Once you save the rack its really easy to do...

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney cable guys volume shaper is really worth it; It is very accurate in terms of sync which i honestly can't say about alot of DAW automation .

You gotta get on the FL train man.. Choo choo ka fucking choo you know... But seriously, automation in fl is so sexy.

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Originally posted by Beatflux I just use Ableton's multiband compressor to split the bands. Once you save the rack its really easy to do...

you have so much more control with your own defined cross over. Not to mention the ability to use a linear EQ. And how you actually have access to the individual ranges to add fx by putting a MB on it , well ya i don't really get that unless you are using it as an EQ which doesn't make much sense.

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