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switch to mac, or stick to PC?

Hold on, this is not a Mac v/s PC debate, I've got the fastest PC you can imagine with 30" 2560 * 1600 display and all the good stuff

However, I now got an iPad3 and I've played around with the new AIR and I'm more or less sold on the design and ecosystem.

Nice AIR (only core i5 though, Ivy bridge) or Mini i7 with Thunderbold display, thunderbold PCIe cabinet for my RME HDSPe MADI and off I go.

Question however is, does the latest Apple OS run 64bits? is it flawless, like ROCK solid, no error 38's or bombs etc etc

My Win7 system, though utterly boring, runs nearly like an appliance, no BSODs or anything.

So, beyond the design and ecosystem, is a fully loaded i7 mini + thunderbold screen a good move? with an AIR to replace my XPS L702X?

Also does the new AIR run TRAKTOR 2.5 with S4 without glitches?
I did spent a lot of time to get it running without pops on my XPS.

I guess the question is, while one should never change a winning team is the switch worthwhile? or do I open a whole new can of worms

BTW HACKINGTOSH is not for me, too many little things that don't work, too many tiresome install procedures, only to find out that wifi, bluetooth, sleep or Intel Optimus is not working. So I don't want to discover hackingtosh.

The hardware is just pc hardware after all, and it has its flaws. After months questioning my network, I discovered that my 2 year old macbook pro had a wifi problem, acceptable for most, but unacceptable for constant wifi use such as controlling the mac with an iOS device.

My 24" Apple LED display imploded after 24 months and apple asked me 661 euros to get it repaired!

So hardware wise, get a warranty extension, don't question, do it! Software is another story.

It is stable, just like windows 7 is rock solid in the right hands. It's 64 bit, it's been for 3 years now. what they call BSOD is called a Kernel Panic on the Mac. In the last 2 years I had ZERO kernel panic and my computers just ran fine, 10.7 is here.

Kontrol S4 and usb 3 don't go well together at present time and users are waiting for a reaction from Native Instruments as the problem is chipset-related.

A mini is a very good choice, those computers are simply awesome, the Air is... well, a well designed computer if you can get used to the screen size. But By all means avoid apple displays.

AND GET APPLECARE. AND 8 gigs of RAM!

i would get a 2011 macbook pro used rather than the new one. The fact that you can't upgrade ram, the fact that lion is a piece of shit ... I would wait to be honest. And retinal display is pointless for audio. And the latest OS lion is far from solid. I honestly dont 'know anyone that is using it. It is apple's vista.

2 imac 27s is what i would get.

I have a hackintosh and it works fine, If I didnt want to go down that route, I would buy a few mac mini servers (one at a time as I could afford them!) and link them all up using VSL. That way you can use mac & windows software at the one time!

Always buy something which will work with your workflow (PC is my favorite so far) + you can always get another toy like iPad3 or else.

Cheers

I don't get it. What exactly is the reason for a change

he changes his mind more times than i do when i put together a cute outfit to go out.

I don't know how anybody finds Lion anything BUT rock solid, It's ridiculously speedy and I've had no issues with apps crashing or slowdowns or anything....?

Mac OS X has been 64 bit longer than Windows has been, actually.

The S4 should work beautifully with the Air.

not true. well half true. Mac OS could use 64 bit addressing but not actual 64 bit apps. So pc was first before macs.

Regarding lion, there are just a long list of issues with so many plugins, interfaces that given that it adds nothing in terms of performance, what is the point. I mean in the audio world , you don't fix something that isn't broken or if it is broken, you don't don't update to something that won't fix it. Lion does none of these. I honestly don't know a single person running lion.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney not true. well half true. Mac OS could use 64 bit addressing but not actual 64 bit apps. So pc was first before macs. Regarding lion, there are just a long list of issues with so many plugins, interfaces that given that it adds nothing in terms of performance, what is the point. I mean in the audio world , you don't fix something that isn't broken or if it is broken, you don't don't update to something that won't fix it. Lion does none of these. I honestly don't know a single person running lion.

Well I think it just depends on your workflow. I use Launchpad and Mission Control and everything because I have a Magic Trackpad. Full screen apps are also nice because they let you completely focus on what you're doing and you don't get your attention pulled away by anything else.

I think you're just stubborn

i think you run a dinky a setup that would work under any circumstance. I am not stubborn, i am a skeptic. When i hear nothing but bad things from lion, and see nothing but beta releases for lion, well for me that sort of spells out that it isn't quite what it needs to be,

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney i think you run a dinky a setup that would work under any circumstance. I am not stubborn, i am a skeptic. When i hear nothing but bad things from lion, and see nothing but beta releases for lion, well for me that sort of spells out that it isn't quite what it needs to be,

Well sure I don't have tonnes of outboard gear but I mean, I don't think it makes Lion shit that developers don't update their plugins to work with new operating systems haha.

People who develop music software are notoriously lazy when it comes to things like that, if it ain't broke, don't fix it, AKA if you want everything to continue working, don't upgrade your OS lol.

I think that the fact most people have skipped lion and a new OS is already under way gives you an accurate idea of its success.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney I think that the fact most people have skipped lion and a new OS is already under way gives you an accurate idea of its success.

They didn't, Lion had a solid adoption rate and has been downloaded over 6 million times. Lion is currently at roughly 40% install base which is far faster than most operating systems achieve, and I'd go as far as saying that's even been hindered because you needed Snow Leopard to upgrade to Lion. With Mountain Lion, Apple is removing that restriction so you can upgrade from any version of the Mac OS directly to Mountain Lion for only $20.

The real issue with Lion was just the dropped support for legacy applications, but that had to happen eventually.

i mean in the audio / visual domain

i mean with my new laptop i got in 2011, you could not install leopard directly so for most, it wasn't a choice. I tried lion on the laptop. It was a mess.

By the time lion is fullproof and everyone will feel comfortable upgrading, there will be a new OS. This is what happened with many of microsofts OS like Millennium and Vista. WIth mac, has that ever happened ? I mean i never bothered with mac until microsoft went to shit with vista and it seemed like mac was the only choice at the time.

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Originally posted by Seandroid They didn't, Lion had a solid adoption rate and has been downloaded over 6 million times. Lion is currently at roughly 40% install base which is far faster than most operating systems achieve,

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You could say the same about Windows Vista, I've at least seen numbers as high as 34% and that was for 2011, so you're argument isn't very solid.

If people, and by that I mean mac fan boys, will line up for days to buy the new iPxxx, they jumped on Lion like it was a brand new trampoline. Doesn't mean it's any good.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi ' You could say the same about Windows Vista, I've at least seen numbers as high as 34% and that was for 2011, so you're argument isn't very solid. If people, and by that I mean mac fan boys, will line up for days to buy the new iPxxx, they jumped on Lion like it was a brand new trampoline. Doesn't mean it's any good.

That's 4 years after release. Lion reached 40% install base in 10 months... And anyway, I wasn't using install base as evidence of how good it is, just to combat that "nobody uses it."

Regardless, Lion has had very positive reviews from most media outlets and users generally seem to love it. But I can understand why it would piss off a lot of audio people, mostly because it removed support for legacy PowerPC code.

Lion has managed to receive an overall 4/5 rating on the Mac App Store (the only way to get it), which is impressive, simply because people tend not to voice their opinions when they're happy, only when they have a complaint. Many of the reviews are negative as a result of that.

Re: switch to mac, or stick to PC?

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Originally posted by Raphie However, I now got an iPad3 and I've played around with the new AIR and I'm more or less sold on the design and ecosystem.

This pretty much sums it up. If the money is there and you've fallen for it why not go all the way?

Re: Re: switch to mac, or stick to PC?

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Originally posted by Storyteller This pretty much sums it up. If the money is there and you've fallen for it why not go all the way?

That's it, it's sexy, but I've got a complex setup, RME HDSPe madi that needs supporting vian an external Thunderbold to PCIe cabinet and some other fun stuff.

What i don't want is spend 3K$ then find out some shit ain't working and the Apple guys saying, yeah, that freezing every once and while, or that kernel panic, it happens, it's not apple, it's Steinberg, or NI, or...

you know..... shit works now, it pure cosmetics, ecosystem and (supposed) simplicity: work more, tweak less

i would wait. The fact you can't upgrade ram is a big fuck you to anyone that buys their shit right now. Well the laptops anyways. I would try and get something that is used.

I'm waiting, no full 64bit support no 16GB on Ivy bridge chipsets
I'll stick a bit longer on Win7 and enjoy the iPad for leisure

what are you trying to do ?

why can't your ipad work for pc. Surely there is an osculator type app for pc or you could just use midi.

I'm not sure really what i'm trying to do.
3 things basically:

Got a Core i7 2700K with 16GB, 5x 64GB SSD, of which 2 in RAID, running windows 7 on a 30" Dell LCD @ 2560 * 1600, This DAW runs Cubase, Wavelab and works flawless

Then i got a Dell XPS L702x Core i7 2760QM with SSD and 8GB, this laptop runs flawless too. (Cubase Elements and Wavelab Elements + Traktor 2.5 (S4)

Now I've since recently also got an iPad 3rd generation 32GB, which I can use as a remote for my SSL X-patch, or Cubase. Or do some touchosc stuff which is not really what I need. But iPad itself just works great. and IF Apple PC's work as great as the iPad, I could imagine myself behind a Thunderbolt 27" display, with a MAC mini i7 and an AIR i5 for on the go.

All my software has cross platform licenses, so migrating is not a poblem. I don't have a special urge, other than the grass looks greener.

I would say right now, the grass is covered in snow and perhaps waiting is a the best option. The overall atmosphere is one of uncertainty. People are kinda thinking mac is going to ditch the pro user. I think now is just a bad time to switch.

If it runs flawlessly, why bother. I mean just get a nicer case or something. But i mean why would that even matter if you spent the money in getting a computer room. I mean sure, when people see my twin tower mac pros , they assume i know what i'm doing and vice versa when people see your pc, they kinda have this sense of ahh jeez here we go, but like maybe you could just use a mac keyboard and paint the box silver ? lol

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Originally posted by Raphie I'm waiting, no full 64bit support no 16GB on Ivy bridge chipsets I'll stick a bit longer on Win7 and enjoy the iPad for leisure

We've already stated it's 64 bit. Mac OS has full, complete 64 bit support...

The iMacs can get 16GB of RAM, and the processor can go as high as a 3.4 GHz Quad Core i7. That's what I've got and it runs like a dream. I've never had a kernel panic. It's never locked up on me...

Inside the machine you can add a 256GB SSD and a 1TB HDD that work in unison, one for the OS and applications and one for media.

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