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Eric Prydz's Set(and L4C was right about something)

I saw Eric Prydz live and he's how the evening played out:

I got there 2 hours before he came on and the warm up guys played some generic house/tech house that was pretty basic. House rule is DJ's can't play bigger than the headliner, so these guys weren't playing anything spectacular. Absolutely no vocals at all and no elaborate melodies or big leads. Sometimes all you heard was a kick and off beat bass.

When Eric comes on he plays a 7 minute track that's one long pad. The rest of the set is broken down into three parts:

Part 1:

More of the same: warm up house.

Part 2:

More melodic stuff. This is where it gets interesting. He starts to play stuff with more melody. He plays a special bootleg of Pjanoo that reveals that famous riff for just one pass. The riff plays once and then is kind of muted for the rest of the track. A few tracks later Pjanoo is introduced again, but then it goes into

Part 3:

Mash Ups

Pjanoo is finally dropped and its a mashed up version with vocals from I don't know where. He plays a few other mash ups as well and ends the night with Mirage. He really seems to like 2night.

None of this is really surprising considering that he also builds up his track arrangements in the same way. 99% of DJs don't even bother to put in this kind of thought though, which is really a shame. What he did was not really difficult, and it just required a bit of forethought into his set.

Like L4C was saying before, you can hint at a track to come later on by dropping a small snippet of it before its going to be played in full, and that's what Eric did.

Anticipation is quite the drug.

the problem is that pjanno kinda sucks it's fucking overplayed. What i do sometimes is having a hot cue with the vocal one shot or main riff notes of the keystone track you are building for. You can also use the cue as a sample if you don't have hot cues setted.

Alternatively you can set a loop of that specific part of the track but i don't like looping that much.

so you're saying sasha was the opener?

Re: Eric Prydz's Set(and L4C was right about something)

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Originally posted by Beatflux Like L4C was saying before, you can hint at a track to come later on by dropping a small snippet of it before its going to be played in full, and that's what Eric did. Anticipation is quite the drug.

Some of the best DJs I've seen have been great at doing this.

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Originally posted by idoru Some of the best DJs I've seen have been great at doing this.

Which DJs? Do you konw of any reference sets?

Paul Van Dyk used to do it all the time. It's not exactly an obscure trick, despite what you seem to think.

Its good practice to do it as soon as you go on. Then you get a good feel of using equipment you never tried before.

the thing is that if it is your own track, you can bounce say the melodic part to all keys. So that you can be more flexible as to how you do it and where you place it. In a way it would be like learning say chords and how to use them but you need vocabulary in order to improvise. The dj in a way part of his/her skill is to have this huge library at his/her finger tips and be able to do this stuff without planning too much. I mean there is pre planning exporting say your material maybe editing the hook so it is not quite the whole thing .... If you start your set with it planned out , it sort of defeats the purpose.

Did you dance and grind with babes and get fucked up and do lines at the after party?

i seem to recall oakenfold had done that "trick" a time or two during his essential mix world tour as well... dunno really if it was a trick or a mess up, lol. but there was at least one occasion where i remember hearing a track come in early, only to not really hear it until a few minutes later.

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Originally posted by keithos27 i seem to recall oakenfold had done that "trick" a time or two during his essential mix world tour as well... dunno really if it was a trick or a mess up, lol. but there was at least one occasion where i remember hearing a track come in early, only to not really hear it until a few minutes later.

I have heard Cressida use this technique a couple years back with 6AM (Kyau & Albert Mix)

I had not started DJing yet, was relatively new to clubbing, and had a couple drinks in me so I thought he played the song a few times during his set.

im surprised people (on this website) think using a sample or dropping a melody is some sort of amazing, ground breaking mixing technique

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Originally posted by jonmitz im surprised people (on this website) think using a sample or dropping a melody is some sort of amazing, ground breaking mixing technique

+1

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Originally posted by jonmitz im surprised people (on this website) think using a sample or dropping a melody is some sort of amazing, ground breaking mixing technique

Only the idiots do.

lol

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Originally posted by jonmitz im surprised people (on this website) think using a sample or dropping a melody is some sort of amazing, ground breaking mixing technique

nobody claimed it was ground breaking. I mean the actual idea dates back a few hundred years. And there is a little more to it than just dropping a sample or melody. That is the technical mechanism which really doesn't encompass the actual musical device being used. But if it is so common and so simple , why does there seem to be a challenge to find actual live mixes that do it even in the most basic way.

Reminds me of using key regions in sets. Everyone claims they do it, but to find an actual example is pretty hard. Instead you have djs that just play tracks in the same key and thinking it is the same thing.

I think real challenge is being able to do this sort of thing without actually having it pre-planed. It sounds counter intuitive, How do you use a previous material without actually planning to use it later on. A dj can imbed dozens of potential thematic stuff that could be used later on thus leaving him/her room to be a dj reading the room but also giving the set a sense of form. And to do that well is not so easy.

I am the Lizard King and the Answer.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney Reminds me of using key regions in sets. Everyone claims they do it, but to find an actual example is pretty hard. Instead you have djs that just play tracks in the same key and thinking it is the same thing.

u mean like a few tracks are a-c then the next few tracks are c#-e and so forth?

they are doing it for the simple reason of having 2 tracks in the same key rather than having an actual purpose. When you learn chords, you learn them, you learn certain arrangement of chords and how that sounds and eventually, you've been thru so many iterations of possibilities that you have a pretty good conceptualization of how those chords in certain inversions and in a certain order can sound and the effect it will have.

it would be like pulling out a chord book and playing the notes without understanding the greater point. When people do harmonic mixing, they don't seem to know why they are doing it other than it sounds cool in that instance which would be like playing a chord out of context. The chord should serve the overall tune, the use of harmonic movements should serve the set,

i always play 3 decks. it isn't rocket science.

harmonic mixing can be overrated depending on what you want to achieve.

although these 2 achieve what you are talking about more.




i really hate posting my own stuff.

can you sort of explain when and where ?

If i have to it means i did a good job. Tons of accapella work (sometimes using the same ones over the course of a mix with diff songs), playing 2 different remixes at once and juggling, bringing a song i have already mixed out of back during the break as to cancel it and tons more. I was just trying to prove that it is done quite a bit. Using a philosophy that means mixing 2 tracks seamlessly is 1+1=3. Of course i mess in the higher area of the spectrum as it is way less "abrupt" than when doing the same with baselines. I love looping a perc or hat and having it even play alone before dropping something else in. I am a novice DJ and can do this. These aren't "studio" mixes either, they would sound a hell of a lot better if they were.

i just don't have an hour to listen. I suppose what is important more than the effect us why you did it and how it served the overall mix. And only you can explain that. I think that is what makes the difference between someone just doing something because they can and someone that does it because they are building some sort of large scale set that has a certain logic to it. Otherwise there isn't much difference between that and pulling a Zabiella.

I guess i would ask Eddie to chime in as he seems to have listened to them and can give a completely unbiased opinion.

it isn't about whether it is good or not, i just don't see the point unless people can learn from it. It would be like posting a track in the production forum. Might be fantastic but without some sort of walkthru, it would be hard to to pick up things.

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