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Posted by OrangestO on Aug-14-2012 15:12:

should your ability to write well be the deciding factor in getting a job?

quote:
�Grammar is my litmus test,� the C.E.O. of iFixit wrote recently in the Harvard Business Review. �If job hopefuls can�t distinguish between �to� and �too,� their applications go into the bin.�

But grammar often seems to be a low priority in education. A student could pass the New York State English Regents exam by writing: �These two Charater have very different mind Sets because they are creative in away that no one would imagen just put clay together and using leaves to create Art.�

Are schools undervaluing grammar, given that employers may rule out applicants with sloppy writing? Or are these employers being old-fashioned and missing out on some qualified candidates?


SOURCE

There's good writers on here, meaning they pay attention to what they write and how they write it. And... there's awful ones, too.

What do you guys think? Should a grammar mistake cost you the chance of landing a job?

When you read other people's posts on here, do you take how well they write into consideration in deciding whether to take them seriously?


Posted by Halcyon+On+On on Aug-14-2012 15:18:

Re: should your ability to write well be the deciding factor in getting a job?

quote:
Originally posted by OrangestO
And... there's awful ones, too.


Shouldn't this be "there are"? You wouldn't say "there is awful ones, too".


Posted by EarnYourKeep on Aug-14-2012 15:21:

Threads like this is why the cor sucks now a days

This thread will be at least 25 pages of people arguing over proper grammar while flexing their intellectual perspective on how the region they live in directly affects it.

Word Life, YOLO, FISH fuck it shit happens, for real my nigga

True Story


Posted by OrangestO on Aug-14-2012 15:23:

Re: Re: should your ability to write well be the deciding factor in getting a job?

quote:
Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Shouldn't this be "there are"? You wouldn't say "there is awful ones, too".


Your right.


Posted by Halcyon+On+On on Aug-14-2012 15:26:

You're highered!


Posted by Halcyon+On+On on Aug-14-2012 15:31:

quote:
Originally posted by EarnYourKeep
Threads like this is why the cor sucks now a days

This thread will be at least 25 pages of people arguing over proper grammar while flexing their intellectual perspective on how the region they live in directly affects it.

Word Life, YOLO, FISH fuck it shit happens, for real my nigga

True Story


Why are you here if absolutely all of your posts are about how this board sucks and how it's just gone downhill since Slylee left and oh, things aren't what they used to be, sadface.

?


Posted by srussell0018 on Aug-14-2012 15:33:

NORTH SIDE WEST SIDE UPTOWN EAST SIDE DOWNTOWN NYC 4 LYF SON.


Posted by Moral Hazard on Aug-14-2012 15:34:

Re: Re: should your ability to write well be the deciding factor in getting a job?

quote:
Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Shouldn't this be "there are"? You wouldn't say "there is awful ones, too".


DING!

In addition; one should never start a sentence (or in this case sentence fragment with "and."


Posted by ziptnf on Aug-14-2012 15:35:

quote:
Originally posted by srussell0018
NORTH SIDE WEST SIDE UPTOWN EAST SIDE DOWNTOWN NYC 4 LYF SON.

ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY

YOLO


Posted by srussell0018 on Aug-14-2012 15:35:

Also, I think grammar shouldn't be the determining factor in the hiring process, but it should be given substantial weight. People who write like they're a child are just embarrassing, and you wouldn't want someone like that associated with your company.


Posted by ziptnf on Aug-14-2012 15:36:

Re: Re: Re: should your ability to write well be the deciding factor in getting a job?

quote:
Originally posted by Moral Hazard
DING!

In addition; one should never start a sentence (or in this case sentence fragment with "and."

You forgot a closing parenthesis.

Also, you shouldn't have put a period inside the quotations. That should have gone outside the closing parenthesis that wasn't there.

Edit: And what is the purpose of the semi-colon after "In addition"? In addition can't be its own complete sentence.


Posted by srussell0018 on Aug-14-2012 15:37:

Pwned.

SENTENCE FRAGMENT OH NO!


Posted by OrangestO on Aug-14-2012 15:39:

Re: Re: Re: should your ability to write well be the deciding factor in getting a job?

quote:
Originally posted by Moral Hazard
DING!

In addition; one should never start a sentence (or in this case sentence fragment with "and."


Actually, you can.

In addition, one should not use a semicolon unless indicating a longer break than a comma.


Posted by srussell0018 on Aug-14-2012 15:40:

Re: should your ability to write well be the deciding factor in getting a job?

quote:
Originally posted by OrangestO
When you read other people's posts on here, do you take how well they write into consideration in deciding whether to take them seriously?


I absolutely do.


Posted by Halcyon+On+On on Aug-14-2012 15:43:

Re: Re: Re: should your ability to write well be the deciding factor in getting a job?

quote:
Originally posted by Moral Hazard
DING!

In addition; one should never start a sentence (or in this case sentence fragment with "and."


I can understand stylizing your writing to express how you speak - obviously there is a point where this is just a forum, so by all means employ conversational habits to convey style and informality. But(!) mis-using a contraction is a bad habit, and often demonstrates a misunderstanding of word structure. Obviously OrangestO knows the difference, but I like when people point out my mistakes.


Posted by srussell0018 on Aug-14-2012 15:47:



QUOTATIONS MISSING!


Posted by OrangestO on Aug-14-2012 15:51:

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Posted by Halcyon+On+On on Aug-14-2012 15:53:

Keep clubbing, baby seals!


Posted by OrangestO on Aug-14-2012 16:13:



This is useful, for anyone interested: http://public.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/errors.txt


Posted by Silky Johnson on Aug-14-2012 16:19:

My sister is the kind of petty, right fighting faggot that will interrupt a person while they're talking to correct their pronunciation and/or grammar. So there was this birthday card with two chicks on the front, one saying "Where's your birthday party at?" and the other one responding "Don't end your sentence with a preposition." Then you open up the card and the first chick says "Where's your birthday party at, bitch?"

I had considered buying this card for my sister's recent birthday, writing some spiteful message like "Omg it's you!" but then thought better of it.

I wish I had. :/


Posted by OrangestO on Aug-14-2012 16:40:



Classic card.





I do that to my girlfriend, just to fuck with her.

Especially when she says shit like "more easy" instead of "easier."


Posted by Silky Johnson on Aug-14-2012 16:42:

Yeah but it's funny when you're doing it just to fuck with someone. My sister does it purely out of the need to be right and show others that they are wrong. Which is annoying and uncool as fuck.


Posted by OrangestO on Aug-14-2012 17:06:

quote:
Originally posted by Miss Pie
Yeah but it's funny when you're doing it just to fuck with someone. My sister does it purely out of the need to be right and show others that they are wrong. Which is annoying and uncool as fuck.


Yea, fuck that. Sounds like a superiority complex.



As to the original question, if I was a hiring manager, I would definitely use a grammatical or syntax error in a resume, cover letter, etc. against someone. You have the ability to proofread your writing before submitting it. It shows you pay attention to detail and care, while having the time to carefully construct a clear and concise representation of yourself. I would definitely put more stock in that than how the interview went, being that you don't have the luxury of knowing what you're going to be asked and "proofreading" what you're going to say.


Posted by Trancealot on Aug-14-2012 17:08:

If getting a job comes down to writing proper grammar then so be it. Otherwise you can hangout with the homeless and remember why you wrote too instead of to.


Posted by SYSTEM-J on Aug-14-2012 17:13:

The use of correct spelling, grammar and syntax is not "good writing". It's competent writing. It should really be the baseline for all written communication. Anyone who is incapable of at least getting the basics right in a job application should have no complaints if they appear ill-educated and incompetent.


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