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Posted by clubsolutely on Sep-10-2002 15:23:

Mixing Breakbeat ? ?

im a dj who mix deep \ tech house and trance and this style is really not into my style..
earlier today i received the vinyl of hybrid [visible noise \ know your enemy], basically i bought it for the visible noise track but i listened to the b side and i heard a pure breakbeat track.. i've never tried to mix this style, and it looks impossible to me cause how u can find the pitch in this track?...i really would like to know if anyone mixing this style and if so, ill be happy knowing how u make it matched Thanks..

Posted by hey cheggy on Sep-10-2002 15:57:

It's easy to mix 4/4 into 3/4. But you need to do it by ear. I don't think a computer will read the beat too well.

Posted by Spin Doctor on Sep-10-2002 16:01:

Mixing break beat is simple. Just go from the first beat of each bar. Start off practicing by mixing a break beat track into a normal tune. Once you�ve got the hang of mixing break beat it�s just as easy to mix as regular tunes.

Posted by El~ZaPo on Sep-10-2002 17:26:

Also I think it helps to listen to the hihats instead of the beats when you are mixing 2 breakbeat songs.

Posted by Tony Morello on Sep-10-2002 20:20:

when mixing a 3/4 beat, it's always best to use the high end, either the hihat or the snare
there usually is one or the other or both present

this technique works for pretty much any song with a 3/4 beat
such as breaks, jungle, dnb...

anywho, when you learn to transition between 4/4 and 3/4 it makes your sets that much more interesting when you can go from trance and throw down a nice breakbeat

Posted by Dj Fred Lamar on Sep-10-2002 23:03:

quote:
Originally posted by El~ZaPo
Also I think it helps to listen to the hihats instead of the beats when you are mixing 2 breakbeat songs.

Agree w/ u 100%

Posted by Jah on Sep-11-2002 10:06:

i dont get it

Posted by PatMcGroin on Sep-11-2002 10:27:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ_Shockwav

anywho, when you learn to transition between 4/4 and 3/4 it makes your sets that much more interesting when you can go from trance and throw down a nice breakbeat

if i had some turntables and a mixer, that would be all me. i LOVE breakbeats! its the best to dance to in my opinion, and drives me crazy!

Posted by dJohn on Sep-11-2002 17:44:

I have that vinyl. It's not that hard to mix. Use the same fundamentals you use for conventional 4/4 mixing...breakbeats, in a sense are 4/4 as well, but they have a 1/2 beat delay and 1/2 beat 'catchup' in their bar.
If 4/4 were like this..
1-2-1-2-1-2-1-2.....
Break beats would be this....
1-2--12-1-2--12-1-2...
You need to speed up the breakbeat track so that half delay overlaps and matches the 1-2 interval with the 4/4 track.
Really hard to explain. Trust me, it's not that hard...just gotta train your ears to match the high hats and beats.
You gotta keep in mind that 3/4 tracks tend to have a considerably lower BPM most likely than the rest of your 4/4 tracks...
Good vinyl BTW

Posted by patticus on Sep-12-2002 05:58:

simply put, just practice with it. i spin 50% breaks now.. it comes easily.
and dont listen to this '3/4 4/4' crap
all dance music is 4/4 (except for the waltz, etc.) .. just dont let that confuse you.

it'll come sooner than you think.
DnB is what's a bit more difficult to mix...

Posted by Kid Lax on Sep-12-2002 21:52:

its all the same shit

just listen for the snare on the 2nd & 4th beat

if you're not sure which snare you should be listening for (sometimes its tricky, like say with ragga jungle or something), then just start tapping your foot to the beat or nod your head

and whoever said that broken up 4/4 songs (breaks, d'n'b, etc.) are considerably slower are wrong
im not sure about breaks, though im pretty certain that they are about the same as most trance (i.e. 130 - 140 bpm)

as for d'n'b, its around 180bpm

Posted by fieroavian on Sep-13-2002 08:08:

i'm trying to learn too. mixing breakbeat seamlessly with melodic/psychedelic trance is my ultimate goal. go listen to Lee Burridge and Hybrid's sets, they're the masters in mixing progressive with breakbeat. you'll learn something from them.

Posted by Tony Morello on Sep-13-2002 08:21:

quote:
Originally posted by fieroavian
i'm trying to learn too. mixing breakbeat seamlessly with melodic/psychedelic trance is my ultimate goal. go listen to Lee Burridge and Hybrid's sets, they're the masters in mixing progressive with breakbeat. you'll learn something from them.

totally... i saw hybrid live, and it blew my mind

Posted by matt_a on Sep-13-2002 13:31:

Yeh just listen to the hats and the snare or claps. forget the bass.

Posted by fieroavian on Sep-13-2002 14:29:

quote:
Originally posted by Trancey Ash
Yeh just listen to the hats and the snare or claps. forget the bass.

so you beatmatch the breakbeat track's hihats with the normal trance track's bass? or also hihats?

Posted by patticus on Sep-14-2002 00:14:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ_Shockwav

totally... i saw hybrid live, and it blew my mind

you guys sound like you'd be into my latest mix.. heh.. some breaks and proggie anthems (i was away for a few months so dont be mad if its slightly dated)

"Common Sense World"

Starecase - Faith
Precision Cuts & Rickee Whoop Whoop - Let This World Be
Meat Katie - Cum Shot
Chris Carter - What Sounds Are
Skinflint - Sirus Virus
Nugen - Emotion (Incredible Melting Man Mix)
Ashtrax - Helsinki
Vengaboys - Paradise
Redanka - Out Of The Dark (Nightflight)
Slovo - Sertao Blues (Goetz & Smallboy Mix)
Narcotic Thrust - Safe From Harm (Behrouz & Andy Mix)
Tarantella - Karma (Way Out West Mix)
Slacker - Looky Thing
Moby - We Are All Made Of Stars (Timo Maas Dub)
Max Graham - Tell You

let me know if you'd like to hear it.. im well aware some of you might be sick of these tracks by now, but its my 1st attempt at a half breaks half prog mix.. im not too sure how it flows meself