Was the Canadian government right in severing diplomatic relations with Iran?

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Posted by Sentinal on Sep-08-2012 05:34:

Was the Canadian government right in severing diplomatic relations with Iran?

Interesting news. I always love a respectful and educated political conversation, and this piece of news is all over the place second only to the TIFF highlights, lets see how you all feel on this one....

Posted by Yohan on Sep-08-2012 13:09:

It's a very curious decision to say the least, and rather caught me off guard. There is some sort of diplomatic play not being told to the public here, because withdrawing diplomatic mission is a huge move, not something taken lightly. (Or Canada is still pissed off about Hazemi case)

Posted by jester on Sep-08-2012 14:49:

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Originally posted by Yohan
(Or Canada is still pissed off about Hazemi case)

Could be that, plus also back in 2011 a movie called Iranium really upset Iran and Iran asked the government of Canada not to show the movie. Canada complied until Canadians and others were like, why the hell you listening to Iran, please show the "documentary" (Link)

Either way it is a hard issue to say yes or no. If you say "yes" you will be branded like a pro-Zionist / Israeli supporter and if you say "no" you will be considered a pro-Iranian regime supporter. Shit like this is complicated. Thankfully I legally can not enter Iran, so it isn't an issue for me trying to go to the Embassy. Plus Canada will feed you to the wolves if you do something wrong in another nation (i.e they wont really try to get you out of prison)

Posted by Shaya007 on Sep-08-2012 15:37:

war is comin....

Posted by jester on Sep-08-2012 16:54:

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Originally posted by Shaya007
war is comin....

War is a constant.

Posted by Nicolas Oliver on Sep-08-2012 17:03:

I don't believe the following comment by John Baird is accurate: "...the government of Iran [is] the most significant threat to global peace and security in the world today..."

Posted by jester on Sep-08-2012 17:11:

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Originally posted by Nicolas Oliver
I don't believe the following comment by John Baird is accurate: "...the government of Iran [is] the most significant threat to global peace and security in the world today..."

It is actually Australia. They have way too much uranium

Posted by hardcore trancer on Sep-08-2012 18:17:

Harper is a piece of shit and a puppet to the U.S. and Israel. How did Iran become so dangerous now? Did they even think about the Iranian Canadians in this country who travel back to Iran to see their families all the time? How is Iran the biggest threat to Canada?

Posted by jester on Sep-08-2012 19:23:

Posted by Sentinal on Sep-08-2012 19:24:

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Harper is a piece of shit and a puppet to the U.S. and Israel. How did Iran become so dangerous now? Did they even think about the Iranian Canadians in this country who travel back to Iran to see their families all the time? How is Iran the biggest threat to Canada?

Interesting. An Iranian already posted in this thread and had three simple words to comment.....war is comin.

I hope not, war is good for nobody except the wealthy who will never see a front line in their lives. I have no shame in saying when I heard this news yesterday, it gave me a bit of a shake. I too believe there is some diplomatic game playing taking place that is not being disclosed to the public. Is Canada a close ally of the US, very much so, and it is no secret at all that this is an election year for the US so it is conceivable to argue that they are somehow involved, but who else is?

This seemed to be unprovoked and made in haste, but I believe Iran is not without total fault. They do hit the bee's nest by making public anti-Isreali comments and that just give the Western countries ammunition and justification for military action in the future.

Personally, I wouldn't fight in a war for this reason. Israel is not Canada and I wouldn't shed blood for a country I will most likely never visit let alone live in.

Posted by hardcore trancer on Sep-08-2012 19:59:

People have got to start learning about what is about to happen here. We are being fed with lies just like Iraq.

Posted by GGM on Sep-08-2012 20:01:

All this is imo is more American ballwashing by Harper. F-35s, Canadian/US Border Pact, push for privatised healthcare (a la letting American companies come rape our wallets), stance on oil sands, mass deregulation etc etc are all examples of how he's put sucking up to them above us and our interests as a priority. He hasn't consulted the public or even parliament on all these moves and this embassy thing is no different. It's the first time in my life there's been a political leadership in Canada where you hear no mention, no debate, or nothing leading up to large decisions being made and unfortunately we have 3 more years of it.

The closing of the embassy does nothing at all to improve the overall situation nor does it benefit Canadians. The only hope in making grounds without a war would be dialogue with negotiations and this is a huge step away from that. Ultimately it's just another move that alters the future path of the country just to make the States look a tad more justified in the world view. It's amazing how as a nation we've gone from a world view of environmental protecting peace keepers in the 90s to a level of warmongering on par with the States and the worst per capita polluters in the world.

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Originally posted by Nicolas Oliver
I don't believe the following comment by John Baird is accurate: "...the government of Iran [is] the most significant threat to global peace and security in the world today..."

Absolutely not, it's by far our neighbours to the south. You don't spend more than the rest of the world combined on military in the name of peace:

LINK

Also, you don't need to read through many of the leaked cables from WikiLeaks to see that what they tell the public is far from what they actually do. Their current "War on Terror" is only creating many more terrorists than the world has ever seen. Protip: Iraqis and Afghans with dead parents or missing limbs don't play nice when they're adults in 10+ years.

Posted by Yohan on Sep-08-2012 20:37:

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Did they even think about the Iranian Canadians in this country who travel back to Iran to see their families all the time?

Iranian govt doesn't allow Canadian embassy to offer consulate support anyways...

Posted by SPANIARD on Sep-08-2012 22:34:

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Originally posted by GGM
It's the first time in my life there's been a political leadership in Canada where you hear no mention, no debate, or nothing leading up to large decisions being made and unfortunately we have 3 more years of it.

You hit the nail on the head, couldn't have said it better.

Posted by Xavier Moriarty on Sep-08-2012 23:31:

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Originally posted by Sentinal
they have shitload of oil and that just give the Western countries ammunition and justification for military action in the future.

fixed for accuracy

Posted by infinity HiGH on Sep-09-2012 00:20:

Posted by jad on Sep-09-2012 02:00:

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Originally posted by GGM

Yes!

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer

Thanks for sharing that video.

Posted by Nrg2Nfinit on Sep-09-2012 05:46:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/...an-embassy.html

Posted by hardcore trancer on Sep-09-2012 15:23:

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/...an-embassy.html

Most significant threat to global peace and security?? Why can�t he just be honest with the people and say Iran is a threat to Israel FFS? Also have you guys noticed when it comes to big decisions and policy making generally speaking these Conservatives always tend to announce them when they are overseas?? Cowards..

Posted by Swamper on Sep-09-2012 21:55:

This is a big move and I hope people don't forget about it in a week. We're living in strange times... easy access to alternative sources of information yet and increasing number of ppl turning a blind eye as they only stick to what the mainstream media feeds them.

Posted by jester on Sep-10-2012 03:57:

Read (PDF)

Posted by Xavier Moriarty on Sep-11-2012 00:57:

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Originally posted by jester
Read (PDF)

page 41, 6 x 2 = 14 ??

lol @ the "art" of war

fucking idiots

Posted by FunkyCrew on Sep-11-2012 01:27:

Posted by Magnetonium on Sep-11-2012 02:11:

Iranian government is funding Assad's oppression of Syrian people. And even before that, Canada has no business in Iran, and now we legitimately hace to excuse to get out of that country.

The level of human rights and democratic process is pathetic in Iran. Just this week I read this:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/enterta...for-nude-photo/

Iranian Actress Banned For Nude Photo [well, NOT SO NUDE!]

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An Iranian actress has been banned from her home country after she posed nude for a French magazine.

The black and white photograph shows Golshifteh Farahani topless, but covering her breasts with her hands.

�I was told by a Ministry of Culture and Islamic Guide official that Iran does not need any actors or artists. You may offer your artistic services somewhere else�, Farahani told The Telegraph after the photograph was published in France�s Madame Le Figaro magazine.

Farahani, who was the first Iranian-based actress to star in a Hollywood film since the country�s 1979 revolution, is a major star in Iran but is best known abroad for playing opposite Leonardo DiCaprio and Russell Crowe in �Body of Lies.�

The photograph, which was posted on her Facebook fan page, drew polarizing responses.

�We have to be open minded but not with opened dresses . She sold her body as an Icon,� a commenter named Sathiajith wrote.

�I think you are a brave woman Golshifteh and hope you will get the respect from your country that you deserve,� a commenter named Chris wrote.

This isn�t the first time Farahani�s career has upset authorities in Iran. The actress said an Iranian court weighed whether she broke a law by making a movie without permission, she told the New York Daily News at the 2008 premiere of �Body of Lies,� causing the actress and her husband to move to Paris.

�[Iranian officials] took my passport. The intelligence service interrogated me several times. In the end, the judge said, �We have to see the movie and then decide what we�re going to do with you,�� she told the newspaper.

Posted by hardcore trancer on Sep-11-2012 02:49:

Why are we so happy to pick on Iran for its human rights violations? On the other hand we have no issues doing business with China and signing multi-billion dollars contracts with them. Why the double standards?

As for Syria goes you have the Americans and other countries funding and supporting the terrorist organizations (so called oppositions) blowing shit up in Syria. Shouldnt we cut all ties with those countries too? My quesion is why now? Why did they make this decision now?

The Harper regime doesn�t have a clear answer for their decision and they change their position everyday to something different. Please also realize that there are about 400,000 Iranians living in Canada and they all have families back home. This decision will make life VERY DIFFUCULT for them to go back and see their families and relatives.

Why should we close all channels of communication with Iran? Why are we shutting down all doors to diplomacy? You honesty believe that the Canadian government is doing this for the sake of the Iranian people?

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