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Posted by DormantCulture on Sep-11-2002 09:16:

Diet to BULK-UP for training ???

CAn u guys recommend a diet to follow when training ??

I have started to train again as I lost alot of weight, (now I'm 21 yrs old & weigh 62kgs !!!! ) I dont wanna take supplements just yet as I wana see how much I can gain by training. I know boiled food works, anything else ??

Thanks in advance

Posted by ludeconduct on Sep-11-2002 09:26:

well if you don't want to go the suppliment route it is a bit hard but i would suggest as much as you can cutting out any complex carbs and starches (pasta, potatoes, breads etc). Eat small ammounts regularly, like 5 meals a day but the normal food you would eat at 3 just divided up and that way you will keep your body with lots of fuel. Also limit carb intake as much as possible. When i do a full training schedule for whatever i go down to 50carbs a day which is impossible pretty much without suppliments. Just limit the carbs up the protein and drink lots of water. Good luck

Posted by Arbiter on Sep-11-2002 19:27:

quote:
Originally posted by ludeconduct
well if you don't want to go the suppliment route it is a bit hard but i would suggest as much as you can cutting out any complex carbs and starches (pasta, potatoes, breads etc). Eat small ammounts regularly, like 5 meals a day but the normal food you would eat at 3 just divided up and that way you will keep your body with lots of fuel. Also limit carb intake as much as possible. When i do a full training schedule for whatever i go down to 50carbs a day which is impossible pretty much without suppliments. Just limit the carbs up the protein and drink lots of water. Good luck

This is pretty good advice. If you're going to work out every day, you want to add a lot of fat and protein to your diet in place of carbs.

Posted by Kinde on Sep-11-2002 20:39:

I agree on the protein but can you guys explain me why should he limit his carbs as much as possible if he's working out hard and trying to gain weight? I thought the carbs give you the energy to work out and not to feel fatigued all the time... I don't think there's nothing wrong with a moderate carb intake when bulking. Hasn't harmed me.

Posted by Mail Man on Sep-11-2002 22:19:

http://www.cyberpump.com/features/nutrimuscle

go there. lots of info.

What height are u. 21 and only 62kg. u are light.

im 17 and 65kg.

Take protein and take creatine tablets. they gave me loads of energy and i could work out for longer.

Posted by mentalbarter on Sep-11-2002 22:26:

Just go to america

You'll be twice that weight in a few months

Posted by Arbiter on Sep-11-2002 23:54:

quote:
Originally posted by Kinde
I agree on the protein but can you guys explain me why should he limit his carbs as much as possible if he's working out hard and trying to gain weight? I thought the carbs give you the energy to work out and not to feel fatigued all the time... I don't think there's nothing wrong with a moderate carb intake when bulking. Hasn't harmed me.

Fats are a much better source of energy than carbs because carbs cause an insulin spike shortly after digestion, which will make you hungry for carbs again sooner.

If you limit carbs, though, you might want to have a carb-loading day once a week or so to normalize your metabolism.

Posted by Tranz on Sep-12-2002 01:26:

High protein & low carb diet is the normal routine, but everyone is different. It depends on your chemical and physical make up. Are you naturally skinny? If yes, I would eat like a bastard, because chances are you're gonna gain muscle before fat, if you do alot of weight training, along with some cardio. Either way, you should avoid junk, like fast food and desert foods high in sugar. The main thing is to work out regularly and keep positive, and the results will come.

Posted by ShadoWolf on Sep-12-2002 01:34:

quote:
Originally posted by mentalbarter
Just go to america

You'll be twice that weight in a few months

ROFL

Posted by DormantCulture on Sep-12-2002 07:35:

Thanx for the advice guys, definately gonna help. Can u guys give me some examples of what foods to eat/abstain (eg. boiled chicken) ???

BTW I know I am very skinny, I have a high Metabolism as I played soccer from 8 till about 17, and training for that sport is a full body work out.

And true When I used to train before, I do gain muscle before fat. On the supplement side, any recommendations ?? I used to use creatine, but I felt it never really helped me much as I was training with some sick bastards that use to reduce me to tears !!!

Thanx guys

Posted by TranceSeeker on Sep-12-2002 10:21:

I know by eating lots of raw eggs u gain weight like nothing else does, but its not tasty.

Posted by frontebb on Sep-12-2002 13:05:

I know genetics plays a big role with this. If along your line of genes, you have a really easy going metabolism, then you will be lucky...not much effort needs to go into your diet. Just like someone said here, a low-fat, low carb diet and cardio/weights will do the trick....and men-KEEP THE PROTEIN UP to make your muscles happy. You will be rewarded! It's muscle mass you want not fat or water gain.

Posted by Mail Man on Sep-12-2002 13:50:

quote:
Originally posted by DormantCulture
Thanx for the advice guys, definately gonna help. Can u guys give me some examples of what foods to eat/abstain (eg. boiled chicken) ???

BTW I know I am very skinny, I have a high Metabolism as I played soccer from 8 till about 17, and training for that sport is a full body work out.

And true When I used to train before, I do gain muscle before fat. On the supplement side, any recommendations ?? I used to use creatine, but I felt it never really helped me much as I was training with some sick bastards that use to reduce me to tears !!!

Thanx guys

steak.

Posted by verminator on Sep-12-2002 15:45:

1. do not train every day. ur body needs to rest and let the muscles grow. by training every day you are only fucking ur muscles up.
2. eat about 5-6 time a day, healthy food.

like

breakfast = protein drink w/banana + some oatmeal w/ cornflakes

dunnowhattocallthismeal,but between breakfast and lunch = protein drink w/banana

lunch = 4 - 6 slices of wholemeal bread (with some sorf of fish (mackerel with tomatoes or tuna)

dunnowhattocallthismeal,but between breakfast and dinner = protein drink or just some banana/other fruits

dinner = something of this: boiled potatoes/pastachicken/some sort of fish + lots of vegetables

supper = slices of bread with some sort of fish/liver pat� or protein drink

drink LOTS of water, stay away from soda(coke,fanta etc) and dont drink too much alcohol in the weekends either.

but have in mind:

only eat this much if you train seriously, from 3-4 times pr week.

if you dont train seriously , the only thing you will achieve is unwanted weight, because of your high intake of food. by eating this kind of food, your combustion will also become very high (look at it as a good thing hehe)

and once every week, chill out and eat some "unhealthy" food, like a pizza/burger etc
just so you get some difference

Posted by dr me on Sep-12-2002 16:04:

there is no secret

what goes in minus what comes out = weight gain

the fact that you want to gain muscle and not fat is not that important if you train constantly.

Therefore eat like crazy and train like crazy. any fat you accumulate is actually easy to eliminate by doing cardiovascular training like crazy later.

The more you weigh, the more you lift and therefore the more you gain muscle bulk. don't worry if you don't look cut initially as this is easily solved.

Posted by frontebb on Sep-12-2002 16:21:

quote:
Originally posted by dr me
don't worry if you don't look cut initially as this is easily solved.

Yea, just walk around looking like a "Juicehead".
You'll be fine.

Posted by benfica88 on Sep-12-2002 16:29:

There's so much mixed advice here, but the fact of the matter is you have to find out what is best for you. You're the one that has to experiment. Everybody is different. I'll just give some adive from what I did. I gained 30 lbs this way. People were thiniking I was taking steroids. Im currently going to go on this plan again. I want to see if I can hit 220lbs.

I worked out everyday! Everyday was pretty much a heavy day( I mean heavy, sometimes just partial reps) for about 3 to 4 weeks. Then I'd switch to going for reps instead of weight for about 1-2 weeks. Stick to the basic movements. I had a 3 day cycle. I made sure each day there was a powerlifting excersise. Bench one day, Deadlifts the next(deadlifts may be done only once a week,since lower back takes forever to recupurate), and Squats for the other.

As for Diet, I ate so much but strictly good food. No more bs of increasing this or that. Increas everything! Eat a lot of protein from chicken and meat or tuna( I ate at least 1.7lbs of meat a day). Don't be afraid to eat pasta,patatoes or rice. You need the carbs for strength. Just make sure you eat realfoods. No candy, no presarvatives, lots of vegetables, or you will start gaining a belly.

And I can't stress these 2 important things.
1-make sure you get enough rest. At least 9 hours sleep everyday. Don't party to much.
2-be sure after your workout imediatly to take in 40-60 grams of sugar. I used to get home and eat 3-4 yogurts.

Also like I said, monitor yourself and see what works best for you.
Good luck !