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The 60's and the music

I used to consider myself an expert in techno/house years ago, but I started losing interest in the last year for obvious reasons. The main one being the complete shit squeeze the mainstream has done to electronic music. I know that good music is still being produced, but the floodgates were opened and the shit is just coming in from all sides. I'm not only talking about the music... I'm also talking about the people and the attitudes etc..

All that aside... I recently read a few books that have opened a new door for me. It all started with Hunter S Thompson. I read a few of his books and he always writes about the counterculture in the 60's. That got me curious and then from there I went nuts. Jim Morrison and Janis Joplin's biographies, The Electric Cool-Aid Acid test, Haight-Ashbury, Hell's Angels and all that great stuff.

Anyway, all that eventually led to the music. Now I want to know if anyone else has some tracks/stories they enjoy from the time. I wasn't sure if I should put this is music discussion, since it specifies EDM music only.

Ill get the ball rolling and if nobody gives a shit, that is fine by me.

I should also mention that I never enjoyed this music my entire life. It was only after reading about and understanding the 60's did the music finally make sense to me.

Shouldn't this go in Music Discussion?

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Originally posted by Dj Nacht I wasn't sure if I should put this is music discussion, since it specifies EDM music only.

I'm also interested in talking about the whole 60's in the general.
Some must read books would be Fear and loathing in Las Vegas and Hell's Angels by Hunter S Thompson

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Originally posted by Dj Nacht I'm also interested in talking about the whole 60's in the general. Some must read books would be Fear and loathing in Las Vegas and Hell's Angels by Hunter S Thompson

Ah - well then: it stays in here. I've actually read both of those and recently saw a documentary about him. He's one of my favorite authors, as well. I had the opportunity of reading his perspective on history along side Christopher Lasch's and a few others, over the past few years. Hell's Angels is likely the most historically relevant of the two but I thought Fear and Loathing functioned as an entertaining social commentary. Someone wrote in our copy, "This book is ABSOLUTELY accurate. I've been there." I have no idea if he's talking about the drugs, Vegas, or just witnessing the events that Thompson reported but I thought it was interesting to have it as an artifact, none-the-less.

I love a lot of 60s Psych Rock

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Originally posted by EddieZilker I've been there." I have no idea if he's talking about the drugs, Vegas, or just witnessing the events that Thompson reported but I thought it was interesting to have it as an artifact, none-the-less.

The book can only fully be understood after learning about the counterculture that came to rise in the 60's. Don't get me wrong, the book can also be enjoyed as pure entertainment because that is what it appears to be on the surface. When I was younger I watched the movie plenty of times, had a good laugh and didn't think there was anything else to it. There is one particular part that is, for me, the greatest and most accurate thing written about the sixties. Hell, I can't even read it without getting goosebumps. Ill copy and paste it in to share.

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Strange memories on this nervous night in Las Vegas. Five years later? Six? It seems like a lifetime, or at least a Main Era � the kind of peak that never comes again. San Francisco in the middle sixties was a very special time and place to be a part of. Maybe it meant something. Maybe not, in the long run . . . but no explanation, no mix of words or music or memories can touch that sense of knowing that you were there and alive in that corner of time and the world. Whatever it meant. . . .
History is hard to know, because of all the hired bullshit, but even without being sure of �history� it seems entirely reasonable to think that every now and then the energy of a whole generation comes to a head in a long fine flash, for reasons that nobody really understands at the time � and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened.

My central memory of that time seems to hang on one or five or maybe forty nights � or very early mornings � when I left the Fillmore half-crazy and, instead of going home, aimed the big 650 Lightning across the Bay Bridge at a hundred miles an hour wearing L. L. Bean shorts and a Butte sheepherder's jacket . . . booming through the Treasure Island tunnel at the lights of Oakland and Berkeley and Richmond, not quite sure which turn-off to take when I got to the other end (always stalling at the toll-gate, too twisted to find neutral while I fumbled for change) . . . but being absolutely certain that no matter which way I went I would come to a place where people were just as high and wild as I was: No doubt at all about that. . . .

There was madness in any direction, at any hour. If not across the Bay, then up the Golden Gate or down 101 to Los Altos or La Honda. . . . You could strike sparks anywhere. There was a fantastic universal sense that whatever we were doing was right, that we were winning. . . .

And that, I think, was the handle�that sense of inevitable victory over the forces of Old and Evil. Not in any mean or military sense; we didn�t need that. Our energy would simply prevail. There was no point in fighting � on our side or theirs. We had all the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave. . . .


So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look West, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high-water mark � that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back.

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Originally posted by netroM I love a lot of 60s Psych Rock

I don't know these guys, i'll check 'em out.

If you enjoy Hunter's twisted drug fueled adventures, then you absolutely have to read his short story called The Great Shark Hunt. He wrote it for Playboy magazine(I actually bought the magazine off Ebay).
It's just as insane as Fear and Loathing.

http://www.undergroundbound.net/fil...hark%20hunt.pdf

Go there and do a search for "part 4"

Once you do, it should take you to the Great shark hunt. Read that and I promise you wont regret it.

i grew up on 50s/60s music and i fucking hated it. my parents are shit.

http://www.discogs.com/Free-Tons-Of-Sobs/master/88606

http://www.discogs.com/Free-Free/master/88610

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Clapton era Yardbirds maybe.

Really though, Motown and Chess Records by far dominated that era with awesome.

I think a lot of the tunes from the 60s are terrible, but I really like surf rock:

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Originally posted by Dykes_on_Jay http://www.discogs.com/Free-Tons-Of-Sobs/master/88606 http://www.discogs.com/Free-Free/master/88610 /thread Clapton era Yardbirds maybe. Really though, Motown and Chess Records by far dominated that era with awesome.

Im grabbing those 2 albums now. I'll let you know how they are.

Elektra Records was good because it had The Doors and Love

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Originally posted by Watts I think a lot of the tunes from the 60s are terrible, but I really like surf rock:

I like both of these.

Another good instrumental.

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Originally posted by Dykes_on_Jay Really though, Motown and Chess Records by far dominated that era with awesome.

pretty interesting how so few musicians created so much music and history. THose 2 house bands virtually unknown lived in poverty their entire life even after all the gold albums.

thought the 50s and 60s was interesting because you get to see something explode from nothing and it is simple enough to see how everything influences everything else.

You do know that The Doors, Jefferson Airplane etc were every bit as commercial as the shit squeezed EDM you speak of?

But since we're on the topic of Hunter. S Thompson, have any of you guys seen the 1980 film Where the Buffalo Roam, starring Bill Murray as Hunter and Peter Boyle as Lazlo(Acosta), who both do a very competent job.
Supposedly it's more accurate, and less of a cartoon, than Fear & Loathing, and also covers much more of the Nixon campaign, plus some more Acosta specific stuff that they don't even touch in F&L. I've only seen the version Neil Young-soundtracked version, which felt a tad stripped, if that makes any sense, but it was a highly enjoyable movie nonetheless.

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Originally posted by itsamemario You do know that The Doors, Jefferson Airplane etc were every bit as commercial as the shit squeezed EDM you speak of? But since we're on the topic of Hunter. S Thompson, have any of you guys seen the 1980 film Where the Buffalo Roam, starring Bill Murray as Hunter and Peter Boyle as Lazlo(Acosta), who both do a very competent job. Supposedly it's more accurate, and less of a cartoon, than Fear & Loathing, and also covers much more of the Nixon campaign, plus some more Acosta specific stuff that they don't even touch in F&L. I've only seen the version Neil Young-soundtracked version, which felt a tad stripped, if that makes any sense, but it was a highly enjoyable movie nonetheless.

Where the Buffalo Roam was suprisingly good, but I enjoyed Fear and Loathing much more. Bill Murray did an amazing job as Hunter and it makes sense since they used to hang out a lot.

I understand the point you're trying to make when you say they were every bit as commercial, but I don't think it's right to compare them. They stayed true to the music and scene through the 60's and very early 70's. Later on Grace Slick made a bunch of garbage in the late 70's and 80's, but hell, even she admits that it was garbage. Another good example would be Jim Morrison hating the fact that the majority of the people at his shows were dumb teens. It actually drove him insane that people were not understanding him and his music.

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Originally posted by Dykes_on_Jay http://www.discogs.com/Free-Tons-Of-Sobs/master/88606 http://www.discogs.com/Free-Free/master/88610 /thread Clapton era Yardbirds maybe. Really though, Motown and Chess Records by far dominated that era with awesome.

Tons of Sobs was some solid blues rock. I'm having trouble getting Free - Free ....

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Originally posted by Dj Nacht Where the Buffalo Roam was suprisingly good, but I enjoyed Fear and Loathing much more. Bill Murray did an amazing job as Hunter and it makes sense since they used to hang out a lot.

I agree. F&L is a better movie, but I really liked seeing more of the exploits of Acosta, which I felt was downplayed in F&E where the focus was more on Thompson.


anywhooo, From the Buffalo roam wiki:

During production, Murray and Thompson engaged in a series of dangerous one-upmanship contests. "One day at Thompson's Aspen, Colorado, home, after many drinks and after much arguing over who could out-Houdini whom, Thompson tied Billy to a chair and threw him into the swimming pool. Billy nearly drowned before Thompson pulled him out." Murray immersed himself in the character so deeply that when Saturday Night Live started its fifth season, Murray was still in character as Thompson. "In a classic case of the role overtaking the actor, Billy returned that fall to Saturday Night so immersed in playing Hunter Thompson he had virtually become Hunter Thompson, complete with long black cigarette holder, dark glasses, and nasty habits. 'Billy,' said one of the writers, echoing several others, 'was not Bill Murray, he was Hunter Thompson. You couldn't talk to him without talking to Hunter Thompson.'

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I understand the point you're trying to make when you say they were every bit as commercial, but I don't think it's right to compare them. They stayed true to the music and scene through the 60's and very early 70's. Later on Grace Slick made a bunch of garbage in the late 70's and 80's, but hell, even she admits that it was garbage. Another good example would be Jim Morrison hating the fact that the majority of the people at his shows were dumb teens. It actually drove him insane that people were not understanding him and his music.

It was less of a point and more in the direction of an observation, really :P Cus you know, I love me some silly contradictions :=)

The movie is even better if you read Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail/The Great Shark Hunt They are a bit hardcore though and you have to be REALLY interested in US politics to get through them.

Part 2/3 are good..

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Originally posted by Dj Nacht The movie is even better if you read Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail/The Great Shark Hunt They are a bit hardcore though and you have to be REALLY interested in US politics to get through them.

Hah, yeah I've deducted as much. Not really a big reader, at least of fiction, but seeing as the intrinsic blurred line of gonzo journalism, I might get through this :P It's gotta beat the journalism of today at least!

Ask Moral Hazard....he use to be a Dead Head

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced Ask Moral Hazard....he use to be a Dead Head

awsome.

I did my share of mobile work in the 80s and had a short-lived psychedelic night at one of the bars I worked at - modeled it after Toronto club RPM's "Psychedelic Mondays", which I attended regularly for a couple of years in my late teens/early 20s. 45s ftw.




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Couple of years late, but even Chubby Checker got in on the action - I actuallly really like this album.

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