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Whats your view on September 11

Well its been 1 year to date since the terrorists attacks. Many Still believe that the USA itself is to blame for what happened. I on the other hand don't really care much but opinions are always welcome. so Plz let me know what you think about the event of 9/11. The Demon has spoke.

they do have themselves to blame but that doesnt mean it should have happened, i wouldnt wish that upon any country
it is exactly one year since the attacks and the US is still doing what everyone hates

but oh well
hopefully it doesnt happen again, and hopefully nothing bad comes of this iraq thing because we are beside the us after all and they will want to bring us into this

i'm sure if the US stopped drilling for oil and the middle east and pulled whatever troops they had in Israel all of this would stop happening .. but i know itz not as simple as that..

ah wells what can u do .. they have to defend their way of life..

btw. did any of you know that there were more Afghan civilian deaths in the US attack on Al-Qaida & Taliban than those who died in the Sept 11 attacks .. ??

Re: Whats your view on September 11

It's good that other people feel the same way...I always feel like I'm the only one that thinks that way although I'm sure a lot of people feel that way but don't talk about

It's too bad that people died...nobody with a heart could be happy about that but the US have too many hands in the cookie jar and it's just a matter of time before radicals like Osama bin laden come into the picture. Exploiting countries for economic gain while trying to police the world doesn't work and never will. Americans (and to a lesser extent Canadians) need to learn about other countries and cultures and stop turning to guns and violence as a solution. However, violence is written in to their culture (the 2nd amendment) and I don't see it changing anytime soon.

just my two cents...

Pretty deep for 12:29 AM...

I think it was a terrible terrible thing, nontheless, i think it caught americans by surprise..... i feel sad for all those in morning who lost a friend or family member...... (especially those Canadians) BUT, look at the middle east and other countries that have been under attack and are still today.... people are killed EVERY day because of political unrest and land disputs and what not... and america usually has a part in it in some way or another.....i think because it was so close to home, that people in america realized what really happens when a country fights with another.......they experienced the cruel reality that happens on the otherside.....

i watched the news the other day and this man was saying that USA is always the country known to fight a war, but Canada is always the country the peacekeeps..... its true, when you go to another country in another continent, sometimes it matters (in a bad way) if your american or not......

people may dispute with this opinion, but im interested to see what other people think.....btw i dont hate USA, my dad works there, but i can't stand when canadians are made fun of

so demon, if you don't really care much, then why are you asking? just wondering...

i'm guessing what influenced this question was the recent poll done asking canadians the same question, "is the US partly to blame for 9/11?"... and the response was about 65% yes if i remember correctly... very interesting, and somewhat surprising... but i have the feeling if you pushed any deeper, and asked them specifically why the US is to blame, they wouldn't have much to say... at least that's what i've found in most cases... most people are pretty clueless when it comes to understanding exactly what the US has done in the past, and what they're doing now... they have a general idea that the US is influencing many things around the world for their own benefit, but that's about it... being in the dark about this is dangerous to us as canadians, considering the huge influence that the US has over us, both economically and socially...

the US is the worlds lone superpower, both militarily and economically, and they are a nation driven by big business... to keep this huge capitalist empire rolling along, and alone as the worlds top power, they do whatever is necessary... supporting corrupt governments, providing illegal arms, state sponsored terrorism, overthrowing legitimate governments, killing innocent civilians, whatever it takes, and whatever is in their best interest. examples are there for all to see, vietnam/cambodia, east timor, chile, nicuragua, sudan, i could go on... but most don't look... well, some canadians look, most americans don't... because their government doesn't want them to look, and they do everything they can to stop them from doing so... blinding them with this nationalism, patriotism, that america is great, love your country, it's the best country in the world, you're either with us or against us, blah blah blah...

this has been going on for many years now, and america never encountered any real problem with this foreign policy... but why would they, they are the ultimate power in this world... that was until 09/11... when they ran into something they hadn't planned for - crazy, extremist islamists willing to blow themselves up... so why exactly did they do it? ... well, you can buy the Bush version if you want - "they hate our freedoms, they hate our way of life" and all the rest of it... sorry, it doesn't fly... sure, they disagree with how we live in the western world - they don't like it, but they just believe that we're all going to hell for the way we live and not believing in Islam... no reason for them to start blowing themselves up for something we're going to be punished for anyway! and if the bush reasoning was true then why weren't they crashing planes into sweden? or france? or canada even? because it has nothing to do with "our freedoms, our way of life" - it has everything to do with US foreign policy in the mid-east...

Israel/Palestine situation, sure that's part of the reason behind the attacks - but in all truth osama uses this cause mainly to help him gain more support in the region... his real gripe is with saudia arabia, and the influence that the US gov holds on that country for economic and strategic reasons... the fact that the US has a military base in saudia arabia, his home country, is a huge annoyance to osama, he views it as sacrilegious... on a larger scale he sees the increased US presence and influence in the region as a threat to Islam as a whole...

the fact that the US government refuses to do any type of reflection or make any attempt to understand and address the root causes of the 9/11 attacks is foolish, but not surprising... they are not only continuing the same mid-east policy, but actually intensifying their presence in the region (soon to attack iraq), all this does is heighten the anti-US sentiment in the mid-east (which is already extremely high), create more extremists and drive more people to join organizations like al-quaeda... which will ultimately lead to more terrorist attacks against the US...

with all that said, i must say that 9/11 is a sad day... the murder of innocent lives is never justified, by any person, any group, or any government. only once people wake up to this consciousness will there be a real change in the world.

Very good and informative post Jazz!

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Originally posted by Jazz the fact that the US government refuses to do any type of reflection or make any attempt to understand and address the root causes of the 9/11 attacks is foolish, but not surprising... they are not only continuing the same mid-east policy, but actually intensifying their presence in the region (soon to attack iraq), all this does is heighten the anti-US sentiment in the mid-east (which is already extremely high), create more extremists and drive more people to join organizations like al-quaeda... which will ultimately lead to more terrorist attacks against the US... with all that said, i must say that 9/11 is a sad day... the murder of innocent lives is never justified, by any person, any group, or any government. only once people wake up to this consciousness will there be a real change in the world.

very true

On the other hand, if it wasn't for US presence in Middle East, Islam and Arabs would be all the world now. There would certainly be no Israel right now. If you give enough power to Saddam Husein, he will be the next Hitler. That's what US is afraid of. Stop pressure on Iraq, and next thing you know, Iraq will have a nuclear bomb - they are pretty close to building one already. Now if Iraq has a nuclear bomb - God, I'm afraid to think what's gonna happen.

Oh the joys of people hiding behind the truth. If the US was not the big bully, then who will be, The Iraqi's, The Saudi's, The Palestinian's? Some always has to play that role, and i would rather it be someone who stands for freedom of choice (even if its jaded), a lot more than someone who stands for ZERO freedom of anything.

And peacekeeping, Do you think peacekeeping will work with people who are willing to kill themselves for their cause, yeah that sounds like it would work.

Be happy the US is doing what it is doing right now, cause I promise you that Al Queda and the harldine muslims dont give a fuck if your american or canadian. Once the UN lets Iraq build there nuclear bomb and fuck up the US, the only thing Canada is going to do is suck on Saddam ass, cause we wont be able to back the USA.

Some americans annoy me, but the bottom line is George Bush is a whole lot more normal than Saddam Hussein and he is not into erasing the world of jewish people. So I go with Bush, and dont think if the US pulled out of the middle east, that things would be fine, cause Saddams is after america and everything it stands for. Everything in the US is wrong in the eyes of muslims in the middle east.

I wonder if your allowed to listen to trance in Iraq? Or when the Taliban had control of afghanistan, i bet there were parties all day long. Nope, they were living under the control of someone else's beliefs, which is exactly what Bin laden and Hussein want. Thats why im sure they have had a couple of scotches together in their scheme to fuck up the world.

what kind of makes me ticked of is that one year prior to the world trade center tragedy there have been terorist bominbings of appartment buildings in Moscow, Russia. It was on the news once but if my memory serves me right at least 5000 people died in those bombings. When the 911 had a total of around 3000 faitalities. Do you still hear about those bombings in Moscow? NO, not even a single god damn mention of that. I mean I am Canadian, but my background is Russian but what pisses me off is that there is so much publicity about the 911 tragedy. Yet when something else of even bigger magnitued happenes somewhere else in the world US does not even bother to broadcasted on the news the first time. Why should they give a shit. It's like they are the center of the universe!

I don't mean to be mean.. but America deserves to be hurt.

Of course, I don't think that civilians should ever pay for the government's actions.. but they, unfortunately, always do.
It is one of the most effective ways to weaken a country.
And Americans are firm believers of that: Hiroshima & Nagasaki, Vietnam, Iraq & Iran.................

I will never forget the time they bombed Yugoslavia (1999).. I wasn't there, but I remember talking on the phone with a friend of mine, hearing sirens, airplanes and bombs being dropped in the backgound.. and then the phone lines being cut....

They have the nerve to invade every country on the map and mess it up and then not expect anyone to hit them with revenge? I hate their guts, I hate their influence, I hate their control and the use of it.

wow...i never knew people felt the same way like me...

US has,is, and always will be the "big bully"

they bring attacks such as "9/11" upon themselves and make the world cry for them because they use the sympathy as an excuse to rule the world thru revengeful tactics


since the early 90s Taliban has ruled in afghanistan....yes someone needed to do something about the brutality of this organization in afghanistan... however...US took it upon themselves to do it and got the support of the world because of the 911 tragedy...

What 99% of the world does not know is that prior to the attacks, there was word on the streets of recession in USA....now how can the superpower in the world be in a recession???a cover up was needed...

Another point that one should note is that USA has over 60 percent of its influence in media all over the world and the whole world watches CNN. People tend to accept everything they hear/see on TV and therefore are convinced that the Al Qaida is responsible for the attacks....im not saying that they arent..but there was no HARD evidence that the ARE the ones..it could be anyone, even the US who organized it since over the past few years, MANY countries out there in the world have begun hating America due to their foreign policies and their attacks on places like Kosovo and so on.

now after attacking afghanistan and "driving the taliban away", America has setup a military base there and has setup bases in countries like Saudi Arabia and US bombed parts of the world like Kosovo....these bombed countries if one takes the time to realize which now have bases, are in critical parts of the world...

u have afghanistan which is just next door to pakistan and India which are now feared by the US because of the development of homemade nukes which defeats their own want to be the only superpower.

u have kosovo and afghanistan(again) which are near russia which has always been considered an enemy by America

u have Saudi Arabia and Kuwait which are in the middle east where their threat Saddam Hussein resides.

Questoin Time: Why should a country have army bases outside their own country??

theres a lot more i can say... but i dont want to create any sparks

Peace

True True

I agree with Jazz's response and everybody elses. The US thinks that it has all the right that it can blame others but not themselves. They're just not bullies but a bunch of hippacrits. Lets look them in persprictive 1)If it wasn't for Hollywood, they wouldn't be as big as influence on the rest of the world 2) They think that people give a shit about everything that happens to them (hence a reason for 9/11) 3)They think its their right to interfere with other people's bisuness 4)They're losers 5)George Bush is mentally challenged 6)They're losers 7)They blow sooooo much money on millitary power but couldn't even prevent 9/11 8)They're losers 9)They have no health insurrance 10)They're even bigger losers 11)They believe Arnold Schwarzenegger is a typical American 12)George Bush can't spell his own name 13)Texans run the country 14)Our busines is there's 15)Wheel of fortune sucks 16)Their beer sucks 17)They suck 18)American people woudl rather jump out of windows rather than taking an elevator 19)They think dog spray is a food seasoner 20)They can't count to 20

So, you tell me! What caused 9/11? Bin-Laden or themselves? HE HE. The Demon has spoke

I can't believe what people are saying in here. The anti-American sentiment sickens me. Do you think that we would live the way we do and reap all the benefits of living in our very comfy western lives if it were not for the US? I highly doubt it. America did not involve itself in Vietnam for the sake of itself but to protect it from the evil grip of communism. America helped the muslims (Albanians) who were being slaughtered by Milosevic's ethnic cleansing. Some people need to see things from another point of view than the GLobe and Mail.

im not anti american...im just a realistic, diplomatic spectator.

and dont pretend like canada is being treated well by america...

1 year later i think you all have forgotten that inspite of helping america out, canada wasnt mentioned in President Bush's speech

well???

emotional aspect: Holy shiet, its so sad to see those ppl jumping out of the freaking building because they new there fait was sealed. man they were trying to prove a point but civilians didn't have to be involved
why didn't they just aim for the white house for gods sake


political aspect: shitty ass americans deserve it for being so macho and sticking there heads into every single thing in the world. axis of evil my ass. all u want to do now is raise your economy by creating stability within the nation and do that by destroying sadamn because he is believed to be a threat. for gods sake he got his ass handed to him on a platter in the gulf war, just go fukk yourself states, don't go where u don't belong

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Originally posted by Jazz they are not only continuing the same mid-east policy, but actually intensifying their presence in the region (soon to attack iraq)

well put, Jazz. the fact that they go bombing everyone as they see fit, in the name of anti-terrorism, really appals me. take Afghanistan for example. Afghan is a victim under Taliban's regime too, and what if Taliban secretly moves themselves to Canada, and plan attacks from here? is George Bush gonna bomb the crap outta us? what if they move to the States?

if -- very unfortunately -- the 3rd World War really happens, i have an odd feeling that it's the U.S. who starts it all. my heart is with the 9/11 victims and survivors, but if the U.S. launches another attack -- for any reason -- they'd better go fuck themselves in the bush.

Hmmmm...

Well, it seems like I conjured up some feelings from some of the TA's in here. Although america has taken the liberty to do some good things, its the negative points that really hurt the country. And again, 1 yr later, George Bush still fails to recognize Canada for all of its efforts and considerations. He states that Britian is their best ally. Well then fucking keep britian and dont bother the rest of the world. Why the hell does he have to overwhelm the rest of us with their intentions? I mean Canada doesn't sit on their ass and do nothing.Its just that the things we do for the USA seems undeserving of recognition. The Demon has spoke.

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Originally posted by drewfactor I can't believe what people are saying in here. The anti-American sentiment sickens me. Do you think that we would live the way we do and reap all the benefits of living in our very comfy western lives if it were not for the US? I highly doubt it. America did not involve itself in Vietnam for the sake of itself but to protect it from the evil grip of communism. America helped the muslims (Albanians) who were being slaughtered by Milosevic's ethnic cleansing. Some people need to see things from another point of view than the GLobe and Mail.

That's pure !^@$ing bull@#$$!
You watch a lot of CNN.

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Originally posted by brunette That's pure !^@$ing bull@#$$! You watch a lot of CNN.

hahahahhahaa....u know it when u see it

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Originally posted by drewfactor America helped the muslims (Albanians) who were being slaughtered by Milosevic's ethnic cleansing. Some people need to see things from another point of view than the GLobe and Mail.

dude don't even get me started with this! LOL! and you are the one that says "see things from another point of view" so why don't ya!

Do you even know any histroy behind the whole "cleansing" as you call it? I am not saying that killing people or mass murders are right, of course not! But do you know the whole history behind this? I bet not!

Over the last 400 years the region was invaded by Albanians, they killed a lot of people, raped women and burned villages of Serbs! There has been a war going on in that region for the last 400 years, it just never got out of hand as much as it did in the last 10 years. I am not standing up for either side, but just like you said you have to look at it from both sides. My question to you is than. Did you look at it from both perspectives?

And the only reason that you think that Albanians are victims here are because of all the PROPAGANDA that they show in the US media. Both Albanians and Serbs are at fault here.

USA

The ironic thing is that US is talking about peace, and yet they really want war. The media makes me sick, people on the radio, on TV are a bunch of liars and can shake their hands with the politicians. I can't wait till they start nuking each other and our selfish, greedy, rotten filth of a society will be wiped out from the face of this beautiful planet. Return to nature, the sounds of the forest and the shimer of the bamboo.

We live in a society that has made a piece of paper more important than another human being.

Think about it.

The Hippie Has spoken.

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Originally posted by drewfactor I can't believe what people are saying in here. The anti-American sentiment sickens me. Do you think that we would live the way we do and reap all the benefits of living in our very comfy western lives if it were not for the US? I highly doubt it. America did not involve itself in Vietnam for the sake of itself but to protect it from the evil grip of communism. America helped the muslims (Albanians) who were being slaughtered by Milosevic's ethnic cleansing. Some people need to see things from another point of view than the GLobe and Mail.

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Originally posted by drewfactor I can't believe what people are saying in here. The anti-American sentiment sickens me. Do you think that we would live the way we do and reap all the benefits of living in our very comfy western lives if it were not for the US? I highly doubt it. America did not involve itself in Vietnam for the sake of itself but to protect it from the evil grip of communism. America helped the muslims (Albanians) who were being slaughtered by Milosevic's ethnic cleansing. Some people need to see things from another point of view than the GLobe and Mail.

I agree that some of the anti-american attitudes are a bit overboard, but please don't use Vietnam as an example, as it is clear you do not know the facts.

"What must be remembered here is that for anyone to claim that Ho Chi Minh's primary interest was the promotion and spread of communism is to deny his entire life's work. It is a lie, pure and simple. And the people at the topmost echelon of our government who were spreading this lie knew better. "

The history is very complicated, involving French Occupation, the British and the Chinese. Communism was just a reason used to justify the war effort. Ho Chi Minh originally had no ties to Moscow or Peiking, and only asked for diplomatic recognition from them after the French occupation of Vietnam starting getting US support.

"Note that during 1945 to 1946, Ho Chi Minh had written at least eight letters to Truman and the State Department, asking for America's help in winning Vietnam's independence from the French. Ho wrote that world peace was being endangered by French efforts to reconquer Indochina and he requested that the four powers (US, USSR, China and Great Britain) intervene in order to mediate a fair settlement and bring the Indochinese issue before the United Nations."

If the US really supported Vietnam, they would've stepped in when the Vietnamese were trying to gain independance from the French, but chose instead to ignore Ho Chi Minh's letters to Washington, so they would not upset the French.

Vietnam right now is a communist country. There is hardly anything "evil" about it. :/

It is obvious that you've become a victim of selective media, and the government's mastery of what they want you to know. There is very important history that the news always fail to report, as proven in your lack of knowledge about the history of Albanians, and the Vietnamese.

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