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The first, actual electro-house track

Can anyone help me figure this one out? When did electro house start to really emerge (mainstream or not), and is there a definitive artist or track who put out the first electro house as we know it today, or is the term too disambiguous for an answer to this question to exist?

No, there isn't. Electro house came out of electroclash, and there's no clear point where one ended and the other began.

Thanks. I didn't think so. Can anyone post some electro clash tracks, or some electro house tracks that emerged as a result of electro clash, during that era?

Well this is the earliest electro house tune in my collection. Far from being the first but essential esp for the time.



And as far as my understanding goes, this would be a prime example of electroclash, although it's not a genre I have explored much.

This is what I know to be the first "electro" sound but this clashes greatly with the mainstream dreck that is around right now. (1983)

Very helpful, Mark.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Very helpful, Mark.

more helpful than you throwing your hands up in a moment of defeat.

Yeah, giving a clearly wrong answer just to show you know some old classic is much better than stating the facts.

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Originally posted by Zharen

Man I haven't listened to this one in years. Mir Geht's Gut at the end of it is really good too.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Yeah, giving a clearly wrong answer just to show you know some old classic is much better than stating the facts.

The OP doesnt exactly know what he's asking for other than some historical context. I was happy to provide it.

What I'm laughing at is that you feel the need to target my reply when someone else posted a Sander K track. If you were going to go into your late night being difficult mode you could have chosen an easier target. Just my .02

Well I did say "electro house" which is distinguishable from "electro", which is from the 80s. I intentionally navigated around using the term "electro" because this thread is about electro HOUSE not electro. But thanks anyway. I thought I was pretty clear about that.

edit: I'm not asking for a historical context of the evolution of the term electro, only the emergence of "electro house" and its conception and evolution.

Felix da Housecat's Kittenz & Thee Glitz probably was where the idea of electro house as a distinctive genre first arose, but it was still considered electroclash back then, only because anything that sounded kitchy, 80s, and cheaper than what the megaclubs were pumping out was branded electroclash. The Biz' Satisfaction gave electro house its first real crossover hit, but when the Swedes got their mitts on the sound, that's when it really exploded and became that distinctive farty style everyone associates with the genre.

when i think of electroclash i usually think of Ladytron, Felix da Housecat, Fischerspooner, Tiga etc. As someone else said really kind of that 80's influence and a fusion between electronic music and rock music.


when i think of when Electro House got really popular I usually think of that as kind of coming out of a French House influence from guys like Etienne de Crecy, Alex Gopher and also guys like Tiefschwarz, Steve Angello, Sebastian Ingrosso, Axwell etc.


all of this of course is just opinion. don't really know that much about electro clash or electro house.

I'm pretty sure this is the first one (1999):



Sidenote, but always liked this next one:

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Yeah, giving a clearly wrong answer just to show you know some old classic is much better than stating the facts.

I'm going to have to agree with system j here.

I mean that wasn't even the earliest electro tune either, that's just some tune that people can't decide whether it's classified as techno or electro.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J No, there isn't. Electro house came out of electroclash, and there's no clear point where one ended and the other began.

What a load of tosh. For people that were clubbing in 2004 (the year electro house really hit the big time) the sudden transition was very clear cut. My vote would go to 'Flatbeat' too, but I'd say that was a bit ahead of it's time. The first track I remember really kicking the genre off in a big way was this one:



I'm not saying that one was the first track, not by a long shot, but it's pretty representative of the first wave. I could name many more like that.

Electro house is funny in that it never ever seemed to be a part of the underground before heading overground the way most genres do. It was just so inherently shit that it went straight to the charts. Har har.

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Originally posted by chode_breath What a load of tosh. For people that were clubbing in 2004 (the year electro house really hit the big time) the sudden transition was very clear cut. My vote would go to 'Flatbeat' too, but I'd say that was a bit ahead of it's time. The first track I remember really kicking the genre off in a big way was this one:

Jeez it hit the radio constantly around that time... and I thought it must've been around before that.

Here's some tracks I remember from when I was 11/12

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Originally posted by chode_breath What a load of tosh. For people that were clubbing in 2004 (the year electro house really hit the big time) the sudden transition was very clear cut. My vote would go to 'Flatbeat' too, but I'd say that was a bit ahead of it's time. The first track I remember really kicking the genre off in a big way was this one:

There were tracks around before that one, although was probably the best.

Have any TA's made a 2004 style electro house mix?

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Originally posted by chode_breath What a load of tosh. For people that were clubbing in 2004 (the year electro house really hit the big time) the sudden transition was very clear cut.

You demolish your own argument by admitting that Flatbeat was a precursor, and so the evolution was in no way "clear cut" and in fact happened over several years and many tracks before the actual "electro" explosion of 2004.

Besides, back in 2004 we were calling stuff like Mylo's Destroy Rock & Roll album "electro", which to me seems very different to what "electro house" is taken as meaning these days.

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Originally posted by Guest The OP doesnt exactly know what he's asking for other than some historical context. I was happy to provide it.

The OP knows exactly what he's asking for, and everyone else understood it fine. Oh, and you're still fucking wrong, because Clear was in no way the first electro track by any definition of the word. So congratulations: you're shit at reading posts and you're also shit at music history.

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Originally posted by Evolve140 Well I did say "electro house" which is distinguishable from "electro", which is from the 80s. I intentionally navigated around using the term "electro" because this thread is about electro HOUSE not electro. But thanks anyway. I thought I was pretty clear about that. edit: I'm not asking for a historical context of the evolution of the term electro, only the emergence of "electro house" and its conception and evolution.

Its like asking what the first Tribal House record was. Impossible question. My best effort would be this from 2003:

i think you will be wasting your time finding the first one as one could just name a italdisco or bootsy tune and claim it is house and electro ish. Probably more fruitful to name tracks that were milestones and influenced what would become the genre. For that i think you need to track down the artists now, find their influences, and then their influences and so on. It takes a lot of work and unless you do the work, your guess is just a guess. And people will just post the track they know of. It really does take an EDM historian which i imagine eventually will start popping up.

EDM is one of those genres that is just hard to chronicle. So much music, some of it has been lost never having been digitized. Much easier to follow bands that released albums that required many people, recording studios which tends to have a paper trail. It would actually be quite an endeavour for someone to really do an in-depth study that extends beyond the early stuff which seems to be where it stops in terms of music. There is social stuff but nobody really chronicles the change of music in a concrete way.

I think the problem is that universities require dissertations to reference other academic material. And it would require someone at the phd level to do this sort of work and be recognized as an actual source once could use. I don't know many people that would do a PHD on EDM music. THe big field right now for musicologists is pop music. They are still dealing with stuff that is 50 years old which isn't really uncommon for academic work. Those that have tried tend to tie it to pop music scholars and don't really get it. They are still at a point where they are trying to find ways to describe the music using traditional ways analyzing chords, melody and form ignoring what really is the essence of EDM , production. They really don't touch on synthesis, sampling and all that stuff that made it what it is at least not in a way that would be effective to understand how it was made which is essential when analyzing where it came from.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Besides, back in 2004 we were calling stuff like Mylo's Destroy Rock & Roll album "electro", which to me seems very different to what "electro house" is taken as meaning these days.

If I recall correctly most of that album was actually filled with weird chill music (with maybe even some reggaeish tracks) and was nothing like "drop the pressure" apart from that track.

I don't know why anyone would call it electro really.

Unless you're only talking about that track.

Speaking of EDM historians, who the hell's gonna make the next version of ishkur's guide. If a bunch of TA's got together (with at least one that knows how to program) it could happen easily (obviously that'd be a knockoff and not ishkurs but still).

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney I don't know many people that would do a PHD on EDM music.

That's nice. I met someone doing that at a party once.

I don't know about EDM generally but there's some very academic papers floating around the net on psy

https://helda.helsinki.fi/handle/10138/34536
Here's a 30+ page document on the history of goa trance, with detailed descriptions of the differences in rythmns (very specific descriptions too) between acid houise and other pre goa trance and goa trance

I'm sure there's similar sorts of articles floating around on techno.

[edit] Sorry... did I say 30 pages long? I meant 267 pages long.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney They are still at a point where they are trying to find ways to describe the music using traditional ways analyzing chords, melody and form ignoring what really is the essence of EDM , production. They really don't touch on synthesis, sampling and all that stuff that made it what it is at least not in a way that would be effective to understand how it was made which is essential when analyzing where it came from.

It's definitely out there a bit, maybe less so in america but it's definitely around. There's a guy who casts sc2 games who did a short course in electronic music production in los angeles so it must be around. There's a bit of academia relating to electronic music around if you search for it. If people care about something enough (and there's some real fanatics out there) they'll dedicate years to it in that area occasionally.

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Originally posted by InnerReflection If I recall correctly most of that album was actually filled with weird chill music (with maybe even some reggaeish tracks) and was nothing like "drop the pressure" apart from that track.

You have an extremely strange memory of that album.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J You have an extremely strange memory of that album.

Just skimmed through it again.

Maybe 6 of the 14 tracks could be concidered electro house.

Most of the music is weird chill music/synthpop

discogs calls it " Leftfield, House, Synth-pop "

I'm well aware of that. However, back in 2004 people would often refer to that kind of material as "electro", because anything synth-poppy or with strong '80s influences was still associated with the retro-tinged electroclash sound. Obviously the meaning would drastically change shortly afterwards.

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Originally posted by InnerReflection discogs calls it " Leftfield, House, Synth-pop "

In all fairness any registered user can modify any attribute of a discogs release, including genre/style. Its all subjective so citing discogs doesnt really help to argue your case either way.

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