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Partier Vs. Raver

I just finished reading through the thread "What is a Gino" and I have to be honest, I'm so sick of that topic. The issue has been re-hashed on here WAY TOO MANY TIMES!!! But, it did spring a thought in my head.........everyone on TA loves trance (at least I hope so). Trance is a genre of electronic music associated with the "rave" scene but now, it's played on the radio and in clubs. It seems like more and more people (Ginos and many more) are getting into it. Not only are they just listening to the music, they're going to events and partying hard (which usually involves doing drugs) and even getting into other types of music such as breaks, dnb, techno, etc.

So, my question is, does that make someone a raver or a partier??? I think I'd call myself a raver cuz for one, I dress like one, I go to raves and club events, and all the stigmas of ravers apply to me. BUT, then again, I'd call myself a partier because I don't just go to parties to get high and I don't wear candy kid clothes, plus I like hitting 19+ events at clubs more than going to venues that are TBA (to be announced). Malice and I have talked about this. What do you guys think???

Is there a difference between a partier and a raver AND how would you classify yourself???

Rave is dead, at least it died 5 years ago or so. House music killed it. So I guess I am just a cluber who loves and enjoys Trance and progressive music.

btw that is E*masters words
wait till he reads this thread and it all be over

After enduring the crush of Labour of Love, seeing the G and coke scene of the Zone, and visiting ****************.com, I stand firmly with the ravers.

It's not about wearing candy, either. I'm just not out to scope chicks. I want to listen to the music.

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Originally posted by Wurm After enduring the crush of Labour of Love, seeing the G and coke scene of the Zone, and visiting ****************.com, I stand firmly with the ravers. It's not about wearing candy, either. I'm just not out to scope chicks. I want to listen to the music.

I'd have to agree to some extent.

I just started into this scene, but labeling is something I'm very familiar with (I've had the "you're a Punk - you're not a Punk" arguement more times than I care to remember). I call myself, when pressed, a clubber, and here are my reasons:

- raver has a negative connotation and I'm tired of getting odd looks from friends for using it. I assume I get these odd looks because A) I used to rag on ravers and the elelctronic music scene (sorry 'bout that by the way) and B) because they have no idea what a raver is.

- partier is a universal. If you get wasted/toasted/high/etc... more than once a week with more than 2 people, you're a partier. Hence this applies to like 80% of the population (or so I hope)

- clubber just feels right. I haven't been to a 'rave' yet, but have been to large events at clubs (Guv being the biggest), though I am told these count as raves to some extent. Since these events have all been at clubs it just fits.

I look at it like I looked at punk before the great disenchantment occurred. I'm here for the music and my friends. If I pick up, bully for me. If not, well that's why I'm Irish and at home in a pub....

Cheers,
Fats

im a clubber/lounger/partier....

dunno which one i fall into but

i prefer lounges to clubs, go to clubs for events and party like teheres no tomorrow without the drugs

Soo, the mods at ***************.com have got to you, eh?

Well, as I see it, you trade sketched out kids on the floor and minithugs for barstars, the G crew and juiced up shirtless ones.

Six of one, half-dozen of the other.

i dont know what the hell i would be
i would prolly be a lounger/clubber
im all about the trance musik and electronic musik, but not so much about the scene you know
if i go to a big rave or whatever its not like im gonna dance or anything, cause i just dont do that, call me
sure i love the atmosphere of it but id rather just sit in a booth at a little lounge or whatever sippin back vodka based drinks, smokin a j, and chillin to trance, mainly because of the fact that mainstream bar people are crowding into the electronic scene just for for drugs or whatever and they dont even respect the musik
barstar skanks go to pick up barstar guys, and vice versa, why dont they just stay at their barstar bar (i realize my insane use of bar and star:P)and stop diluting the musik and clubs electronic partiers frequent with absolute shit
theyll go to an electronic club and be like man thatd be cool if they played blow my whistle bitch
its like wtf go away

Oh oh, raves?
I predict this thread goes out of control once E-master is done with it

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Originally posted by Dj-HordasH Oh oh, raves? I predict this thread goes out of control once E-master is done with it

I can so see that coming! LOL!

(Oh man here I go!) Kids, listen to me plz

First of all^^^^^^^^ YOU'RE DAAAAAAMN RIGHT!!!!!!!!

Ok kids, Here is a little history lesson ONCE AGAIN from your E-Master who EXPREIENCED RAVE AT ITS FINEST HOUR!!

ok. Rave started in 1994 which was an offspring of TECHNO (My bro introduced it to me when I was 13). Back then that was 2 unlimited for the time being. Once techno satarted evolving into much faster and hardcore beats. This style of music was then called RAVE! Now. This was the time I personally experienced a RAVE. in 1995 I Went to a raveclub in Amsterdam, don;t recall waht iw was called same with the one in Rotterdam as I was under the heavy influence of the new drug (back then) called Extacy. Extacy BACK THEN was 60% speed 40% cocaine and Cost about 80-400 DM a pill!!!!! (about 60-340 dollars). I was 15 at the time so I did not know any better. Anyhow, At these "RAVES" tey played nothing but "RAVE" music and since we partied there we were called "RAVERS".

Now I had to come back to Canada. 1996 came around, and I tried my HARDEST to get rave tunes over here. Rave never made it here back then. The only rave song that i EvER heard her en the radio was "Are you ready to fly - dune" and that was on Hits 103.5 now Z103.5. Then shrotly after that, in 1996, I found the shokcing truth that Rave died. It was killed by house music which was the "newest" trend. the beautiful 200+ BPM music was dead ( Ia mnot talking about happy hardcore shit or anything else, I am talking aout REAL RAVE). U guys wana know what real rave sounds like drop me a PM and I will mix one up for you. Rave, as of the beginning of 1996 was legally pronounced DEAD! I was shattered and as was a good friend of mine MECHA. we held on to it though but it would not come back and we finally realized it was over.

So this brings up a few questions to me.

1. If you are a "raver" then why are u not listening to rave?
2. RAVE IS DEAD! GET OVER IT! RAVE IS DEAD!
3. You are not a RAVER, I once was a RAVER but now a PArtier.
4. ANYONE who calls themselves a raver needs to think about what they are cause Rave is dead and it is not coming back. YOu are not listening to Rave, what they play at "so called raves" is NOT rave so it can't be called a rave NOR are u a raver. PEriod. nuff said.

Why can't ppl understand that whent he term "rave" came here it was totally misunderstood.

I don't want to diss anyone here. I really don't. But I do need to clarify some things. I did not dress in pants that are liek 8 times my size witha pacifier in my mouth colouring my hair mulitcolour rainbows like a sheik condom's mixer pack. No, we al dressed normal, anyting having to do with nuclear and biohazardous chemical waste things was cool. That was Rave this is not Leave it alone.

I need to take a Tylenol I have a headache from all this lol

^^^^^^^^^LOL @ E-master well put my friend



As for me I am a Junglist, Breaks Junky, House Head, Trance Addict, Techno Freak party Go'er oh and I hate Hardcore

what if i was to say i was a raver in 1993
i wasnt of course but what if :P

neither, i'm a clubber. hate the drug reference to Ravers and rave parties, and i don't see a DJ set as a party. i go clubbing solely because of the DJ, and a DJ set is a performance dammit! clubber sounds just right to me, 'cos i enjoy the music, and dance to it until i can't move

Okay, this reply is for E*Master or whatever your name is who seems to know it all cuz he's been there done that. I don't want to start an argument. Obviously our perceptions of "rave" are completely different. When I talk or think about "raves" or "ravers" I'm referring to the rave or what is better referred to as, the party scene --> i.e Destiny, Purple Heaven, Big Bud parties. Fortunately, these parties are becoming more mature (except Big Bud). The rave scene is dying because it's now more of a partier scene but the music isn't. Oh, and when you said that rave died with house music, I certainly don't hope that you meant that house music killed the rave scene cuz that shit music isn't even played at "non-Guvernment" type parties, unless you count booty house. Oh, one more thing, just curious E*Master, have you been to parties (non-club events) in T.O in the past few years???

I am a clubber .. now.. Ex-raver who wishes that it would come back. Well, it kinda is through UK hardhouse, but still not the same.

Who cares...I just spent 20 seconds reading some posts in this thread and realized....dam..that was a total waste of time...lol

If I start actually getting into these threads, then I know I need to get a life..!



As for the question to start the thread...

I dunno what I am..I just like to have a good time..

Re: (Oh man here I go!) Kids, listen to me plz

E*Master, no offense but you're confusing the music style with the culture and events known as Raves. They are 2 completely separate things. Raves have been occuring in Toronto since the early 90's and while it's true that they maybe haven't had the cultural effects and implications in North America that they did in Europe, there is still a dedicated group of people who attend these events to hear music that you can't normally hear in clubs. I suggest you do some research about rave culture rather than just going by your own experiences before telling people they're flat out wrong. start here:
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22H...-8&start=0&sa=N
(And by the way, anything 2 Unlimited released after '92 was pretty much just commercial garbage.)

Emaster, if you were paying 60-340 a pill, then you were a fool. And it's not worth it to put cocaine in a pill, it's not very active orally. Your claim about what was in the pills is pure speculation (and utter BS.)

emaster ur living in the past man

yes raves are dead now

but are you telling me that EVERY single party in north america did not have the right to be called a rave just because of the stlye of music it played? if thats your case then the answer is simple, over the years the meaning has been twisted and now it has a new one which differs from yours

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Originally posted by Wurm Emaster, if you were paying 60-340 a pill, then you were a fool. And it's not worth it to put cocaine in a pill, it's not very active orally. Your claim about what was in the pills is pure speculation (and utter BS.)

yo that was back then and not now. lol. Those are prices from 95. besides I never paid that priuce, a friend of mine was getting them form somewhere (never bothered asking from where). It ain't BS, that was back then and in my part of germany (north), things are obviously different now).

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Originally posted by Flec , over the years the meaning has been twisted and now it has a new one which differs from yours

lol, I AM not living in the past. Tho I admit I was about a year a go still lol. Then made the transition to trance .

It's all about an underground tune, the one that noone but a handful of people understand, it's all about the lights and the energy produced on the dance floor,it's about truth, respect and understanding, it's about a natural high, that can be intensified with a pill, dancing, smiling, knowing what it is all about, releasing the crap we're made to believe or put up with on a daily basis, leaving this world that we call reality behind, elevating to a higher state of mind, to a higher being that sees all as equal, that sees all as my brothers and sisters.

partier, gino or raver,black or white, hippie or skinhead, they are the same in my eyes of this pointless repeating existance we call life.

Re: Re: (Oh man here I go!) Kids, listen to me plz

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Originally posted by xls E*Master, no offense but you're confusing the music style with the culture and events known as Raves. They are 2 completely separate things. Raves have been occuring in Toronto since the early 90's and while it's true that they maybe haven't had the cultural effects and implications in North America that they did in Europe, there is still a dedicated group of people who attend these events to hear music that you can't normally hear in clubs. I suggest you do some research about rave culture rather than just going by your own experiences before telling people they're flat out wrong. start here: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22H...-8&start=0&sa=N (And by the way, anything 2 Unlimited released after '92 was pretty much just commercial garbage.)

ooook. . First of all how old are you? Rave culture? It was rave nation back then. Second. Why don't u share YOUR experience with "rave"? Third, Flec is right, the words did get twisted. BUT, I still disagree with the term "raver".

I want to know if u experienced Rave in Europe in 94-96. Other than that, just cause some websiote tell u what rave culture "was" or "is" does nto mean that is how it was. I am speaking from waht I saw and felt when I was there. Would u rather have some1 tell u who was there how it was or some book or website?

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Originally posted by arek It's all about an underground tune, the one that noone but a handful of people understand, it's all about the lights and the energy produced on the dance floor,it's about truth, respect and understanding, it's about a natural high, that can be intensified with a pill, dancing, smiling, knowing what it is all about, releasing the crap we're made to believe or put up with on a daily basis, leaving this world that we call reality behind, elevating to a higher state of mind, to a higher being that sees all as equal, that sees all as my brothers and sisters. partier, gino or raver,black or white, hippie or skinhead, they are the same in my eyes of this pointless repeating existance we call life.

Well put , I agree.

Re: Re: Re: (Oh man here I go!) Kids, listen to me plz

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Originally posted by E*Master ooook. . First of all how old are you? Rave culture? It was rave nation back then. Second. Why don't u share YOUR experience with "rave"?

I'm 26. I've been listening to and producing electronic music since 1992. I started going to raves in 1993. At the time, it was a smaller community of people who genuinely gave a shit about the music and their fellow man. I've watched the scene in Toronto come out of the underground and go practically mainstream. When this happened, I will agree with you, Rave died. I never denied that. In Toronto, it happened in about '96-'97 with the major Jungle explosion. Around this time the atmosphere changed and it's been getting sketchier ever since. However, the remnants of the rave scene are still the only place I can go to hear the music that I love. (The music in Toronto clubs is simply not hard enough for me!)

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I want to know if u experienced Rave in Europe in 94-96. Other than that, just cause some websiote tell u what rave culture "was" or "is" does nto mean that is how it was. I am speaking from waht I saw and felt when I was there. Would u rather have some1 tell u who was there how it was or some book or website?

I did not experience Raves in Europe in 94-96, although I wish I had! I don't need a website or a book to tell me what rave culture was. Just because my experience of rave culture differs from yours doesn't mean that mine is any less valid!

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