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Jack Moss - Time & Space [Mixtape]

This was created for a mixtape/mix CD swapping community a friend invited me to join. The theme was "Time and space" (no shit!) and there were no real constraints on how we approached it. After some thought, I decided to do one continuous mix based around tracks themed on these concepts, to create a general physics-y contemplation-of-the-universe vibe. Musically it's quite varied, not quite flowing in a traditional sense but hopefully coming together as an overall journey. Managed to fit in a lot of favourites I would never otherwise get to play.



01. Space Manoeuvres - Zero Downtime [Lost Language: 2005]
-Francois K Feat. Joe Claussell - Time & Space (Excerpt) [NRK: 1998]
02. Healer - Hibernation [Candyflip: 2004]
03. Talisman & Hudson - Leaving Planet Earth [CSMF: 1997]
04. Dave Wallace - Future Reality (Part 1) [All Good Vinyl: 1996]
05. Nebula - Astral Soul [Subtle Audio: 2011]
06. The Timewriter - Resetting The Clocks [Plastic City: 2007]
-The Timewriter - Zero [Plastic City: 2007]
08. Davor Bojanov - New Dimension Of Life [Mistiquemusic: 2010]
09. Francois K Feat. Joe Claussell - Time & Space [NRK: 1998]
10. Alex Rize - Nebula (Michael & Levan Remix) [Morphosis: 2008]
11. John 00 Fleming - The Astrophysical Nebula [J00F: 2012]
12. Intex Systems - Dream Sequence (Jack's TRD Re-Edit) [Covert Operations: 2005]
-Intex Systems - Absorb [Covert Operations: 2005]
13. Laurel Halo - Strength In Free Space [Hippos In Tanks: 2011]
-Plastikman - Fuk (Excerpt) [NovaMute: 1994]
14. Model 500 - Starlight (Echospace Dub) [Echospace Detroit: 2008]
15. B12 - Satori [Warp: 1993]
16. Lemon Sol - Universal [Guerilla: 1994]
17. The KLF - 3am Eternal (Blue Danube Orbital Mix) [KLF Communications: 1989]


Enjoy, and as always: tell me exactly how much this disappointed you.

That tracklist looks interesting. Drum & bass, prog, house and ambient techno in one mix? I wonder how you'll pull that off.

I was thinking about making a retrofuturespaceambientdetroittechno mix a while ago but in the end my conclusion was that these tracks are too god and I am not worthy. Although I might make a Mills-esque space techno mix at some point.

I'm very much jumping on this. I like my mixes varied these days.

Splendid.

You had a nicely relaxed flow going on that sounded like it could have gone on for much longer. Spacious enough to comfortably fit the different styles.
There were good tunes and it has a sensible progression, the ending tickled me to no end as well as a nice little wink towards the concept.

Very good mix, Jack.

As Bierheld told, the flow is quite good. You mixed together a whole variety of genres which made this very interesting.

The intro track is amazing, giving to the mix already the 'Time & Space feel'. Loved the D&B section, specially Talisman & Hudson - Leaving Planet Earth, what an outstanding tune, blew my mind away! Everything was really amazing, until the prog section.

I really felt the prog section was a bit boring. It didn't kill the flow, just kinda lost a bit the evolving atmosphere you built. It's hard to put in words how to explain, i mean, The Astrophysical Nebula and the prog tracks played at the end, has the exactly RIGHT vibe you should have played on the prog section. But at the same time, i know this is very personal, and every person has their own perception of how Time & Space should sound like.

So, after The Astrophysical Nebula, it was very good to listen some Ambient tracks. Nice timing. From there, flawless ending. Lemon Soul - Universal is superb.

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Originally posted by Bierheld Splendid. You had a nicely relaxed flow going on that sounded like it could have gone on for much longer. Spacious enough to comfortably fit the different styles. There were good tunes and it has a sensible progression, the ending tickled me to no end as well as a nice little wink towards the concept.

Glad you enjoyed it. The last track is actually an early remix by The Orb (they used to call their remixes "Orbital [Whatever] Mix", which obviously became confusing once Orbital rose to prominence), featuring a typically daft sample of Strauss. Seemed a perfect punctuation mark for the mix.

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Originally posted by rdevito I really felt the prog section was a bit boring. It didn't kill the flow, just kinda lost a bit the evolving atmosphere you built. It's hard to put in words how to explain

No, I understand. Those two prog tracks were definitely the place I'd expect to lose the listener, especially as the target audience wasn't a clubby kind of music fan.

haven't found the context to listen to the big beat one yet (fuck off, i know...big beat and life just don't mix.) This one i can wrap my condilomas around nicely at any time. Leaving planet earth is a personal fav that i never thought that i would see in this section (or any) of this forum. Brb, torture.

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this is really well done

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Originally posted by Dykes_on_Jay Leaving planet earth is a personal fav that i never thought that i would see in this section (or any) of this forum. Brb, torture.

Really? Oakey used to play it quite a lot. I'd say it's one of the few drum 'n bass tunes I'd expect trance heads to know. Fairly sure Dave King has used it in a mix before, as well. Either way, I think we can all agree it's absolute genius.

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Originally posted by meriter this is really well done

Thanks! I put a lot of thought into how to fit it all in. I really enjoy making varied mixes like this, mixing moods not beats.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Thanks! I put a lot of thought into how to fit it all in.

thats what she said

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Really? Oakey used to play it quite a lot. I'd say it's one of the few drum 'n bass tunes I'd expect trance heads to know. Fairly sure Dave King has used it in a mix before, as well. Either way, I think we can all agree it's absolute genius.

while not proud, i used to listen to trance and cokenfold. i'm really old though.

Tracklist looks nice and varied, I'm definitely interested. Here's where I come in begging Stu for a permalink.

oh hi there new Jackmix

Listening now. Cool concept, tracklist looks real nice.

listened to it yesterday. Loved it actually. of the sets of yours ive heard this is easily my favorite. thought the transitions were smooth and the entire set flowed emotionally and had a certain kind of texture and sound even though the tracks were from different genres. great sleeping music, i mean that as a compliment as i love listening to certain mixes as i fall asleep. my only real complaint is that the prog section was a bit of a letdown compared to rest. Strange because i love prog. Maybe prog just doesnt fit into the whole space theme. I dont know. But really good mix.

Glad you enjoyed it. Not much love for the prog round these parts. Again, I can understand why, but I also think the bombast of that section takes the mix up to an apex, which is important when it comes to the subsequent descent into ambient eeriness.

After listening to it again, I have a few more comments:

Firstly the progressive section doesn't strike me as being out of place, even though I'm usually the first to have an allergic reaction when it comes to the stuff. This is firstly because the mix-in was well executed, the intro of the track that played at around the 26 minute mark did well in bridging the more frantic scatterbreaks that came before, which also helped in breaking up the tempo continuity. And secondly because it came at the right time. However, In doing this the set showed some clear signs towards taking a more traditional "inverse pyramid" approach to set flow. Were after a fresh and up-tempo start it takes a plunge towards the deep end at around the half hour mark, after which it's supposed to climb back up again.
This one really didn't, there were moments that could have been climactic in a different context but they didn't really come off that way here. It felt a bit stagnant.

I didn't really care about this at first because it felt like it was supposed to be more of a relaxing experience rather then a provocative one, but apparently I was wrong.
I did mention it felt like it could have gone on for much longer, which also means it didn't feel like you extracted everything you could have gotten from it.
If it had gone boom somewhere in the second half it might have been a bit more memorable, and it would also have helped the final ambient comedown section which to me felt like it came too soon.
And by boom I don't necessarily mean hard fast and clubby. But a bit less on the pretty melodics and a bit more on the loudness front wouldn't have hurt.

Even so it is still a vastly enjoyable listening experience, but that's what I got on the matter.

I'm getting confused about what people are actually labelling the "prog" here. Are we really classifying The Timewriter and Francois K as "progressive"? As I see it, only two tracks are prog - Alex Rize and J00F.

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Originally posted by Bierheld However, In doing this the set showed some clear signs towards taking a more traditional "inverse pyramid" approach to set flow. Were after a fresh and up-tempo start it takes a plunge towards the deep end at around the half hour mark, after which it's supposed to climb back up again.

I don't really understand this at all. This set doesn't have an up-tempo start at all, and I don't think it gets deeper in the mid-section. Quite the opposite.

I was just referring to those two tracks. For some reason it felt out place in the context of the theme, though the mixing was quite good. Just felt like rave broke out suddenly when i was in the mood for trippy space music. It also could be personal bias and prejudice as i really do associate prog with going out and dancing etc as for nearly 10 years that was all i basically went out and saw while i enjoyed other genres at home.

Yeah, I understand if we're just referring to those two tracks, because as I said previously they're the most obviously "clubby" moments, albeit with a couple of caveats: I think they're both pretty spacey tracks anyway, and both are 125bpm and hardly resplendent with dancefloor energy. And as I said, the intention was to peak out the set at that point.

No i totally get what you were going after and like i said the transitions did work. Its just personal preferences and prejudices and even those lower bpm tracks i just associate way too much with dancing or a club than headphones at home etc.

My comment is only loosely related to PVP's one, I just took a guess at what he meant by 'prog section' and apparently I was wrong. It's not important.

My use of the term is more me lazily placing the stream of mid-tempo melodic dance music that starts off around the half hour mark under one umbrella.
Thing is, to me at least. Is that this mix after the ambient start goes of to a jungly section, which then gets replaced by house beats after about half an hour. Whether the actual tempo changed or not, you're still working with a lot less in terms of bass-drum hits, and it feels tamer because of it. A climax is the obvious highlight of the entire mix, and that's harder to do when you drop a lot of the rhythmic intensity you had earlier on in the set.
The track at around 55 minutes, although excellent, doesn't feel like a climax. But you do get comedown ambient after it. It felt a bit like you were trying to pull this mix towards your mixing comfort zone (you do have a history of executing proggy climaxes) without really having the time and perquisites to set it up properly.


I may well have gotten it all wrong in the few listen I've given it so far. But for now it's my impression anyway.

There is a lot more to energy levels and indeed tempo than drum hits per square inch. All of the drum 'n bass I play here is effectively in half-time, the energy levels are really low. I think it's self-evident which section of this mix would generate more energy on a dancefloor.

Although you are clearly no fool and you think everything through carefully, I am sometimes baffled by how left-of-field your interpretations are of things everyone else seems to find pretty apparent.

Different frame of reference I guess, my views aren't that alien when compared to those of my local social circles.

I just look at the mix as is and what fills dancefloors is not relevant to this context. To me even the tamest of jungle beats can feel more energetic then house beats.

I am not talking about "filling" a dancefloor.

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