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Posted by MSZ on Jan-04-2013 22:02:

The 10 best trance tracks, according to James Holden

James: �Of course I mean trance: the state of mind, not the sadly misnamed genre. Music like this stretches back beyond the start of history and will be around until a time when glow sticks and middle-aged Dutch men pulling poses are long forgotten. Modern neuroscience has shown that this stuff does indeed have magical effects on the brain and our state of consciousness � if we let it.�


http://www.dummymag.com/lists/2013/...o-james-holden/

some nice sounds here :3


Posted by enydo on Jan-04-2013 22:15:

THERE'S NO FUCKING TRANCE IN THIS LIST

FUCK YOU HOLDEN

PLAY I HAVE PUT OUT THE LIGHT, FAGET.


Posted by blackplasma on Jan-04-2013 23:01:

James Holden, the Dan Ashcroft of electronic music.


Posted by jvs on Jan-04-2013 23:25:

I have no doubts anymore, James Holden is an artfag. "Mind-alterting tracks" lol. As opposed to what? Tracks that don't alter your mind? What a fucking idiot!

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Modern neuroscience has shown that this stuff does indeed have magical effects on the brain and our state of consciousness � if we let it.


If we let it lol. MORE LIKE IF WE PRETEND IT DOES. Just like, say, homeopathy or astrology or Christianity or whatever has magical effects on your mind if you let it. Get it fagot? Neuroscience has shown lol. Neuroscence has shown, you fucking clueless moran, that EVERY MUSIC HAS AN EFFECT ON THE BRAIN. And even more than that -- that every sound has an effect on the brain! that even fucking silence has an effect on the brain!

Basically, to demolish this "trance" fagotry once and for all, the word "hypnotic" is an euphemism for sleep-inducing a.k.a. boring. This is how talentless fucks such as James Holden try to pass off boring music as something profound in order to sell themselves, to make a living.


Posted by srussell0018 on Jan-04-2013 23:29:

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you fucking clueless moran


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you fucking moran


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Posted by jvs on Jan-04-2013 23:39:

You're not the first to point that out but I bear no grudge for it amuses me every single time!


Posted by Guest on Jan-04-2013 23:44:

In this list, he abandons the same sad genre that made him famous. I LOL at thee, James Holden.


Posted by MSZ on Jan-04-2013 23:52:


Posted by Redd on Jan-04-2013 23:54:

not that I like anything by Holden any more but to his defence:

quote:
Of course I mean trance: the state of mind, not the sadly misnamed genre


I don't see how him making this list is him abandoning anything. He "abandoned" "trance" a long long time ago. Calling Horizons and Solstice trance is a stretch anyway.


Posted by Guest on Jan-04-2013 23:57:

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Originally posted by Redd
not that I like anything by Holden any more but to his defence:



I don't see how him making this list is him abandoning anything. He "abandoned" "trance" a long long time ago. Calling Horizons and Solstice trance is a stretch anyway.


Are there any club tracks in that list? Could James Holden have any sort of DJ career by playing music from his list?

I'm sorry he just sounds pretentious as fuck.


Posted by Redd on Jan-05-2013 00:02:

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Originally posted by Guest
Are there any club tracks in that list? Could James Holden have any sort of DJ career by playing music from his list?


Depends on the venue I guess, but as stated in the ingress "none of that glow stick-waving stuff". I just don't see the issue here. The title of the article makes you expect something and you don't get it, big deal. Read 3 more sentences of it and it's perfectly fine.

edit; you ninjaedited that post 3 times. I didn't even catch the second question when I clicked quote and wrote my reply.


Posted by Redd on Jan-05-2013 00:04:

Oh yeah no doubt he is pretentious, or at least does a great job coming off as it. I'm happy though, if he'd made a list with trance the way we think of it, it would probably be a huge disappointment. It's not like we haven't seen enough lists of top 10 trance tracks over the last 10 years.

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James: �The tempo and pulse of this coincide neatly with alpha-frequency brainwaves � leading to a calming effect on the listener, or possibly increases in whole-brain synchronisation that cause altered states of consciousness, depending how hard (or gently) you listen.�


holy shit

edit; Harmonia - Watussi was excellent (1974!?), and glad I got reminded of that Plastikman-track.


Posted by jvs on Jan-05-2013 00:31:

What James did here is basically push the "trance" fagotry to its limits, something that no other hipster had courage to do. But he isn't quite there yet for the logical conclusion of all this fagotry is silence. Wait till he starts making Top 10 tracks of silence!

However, there is a point to his bleatings, but only if you don't take what he says literally, that is to say, only if you look at him as a kind of fool -- a kind of jester -- whose point is to demonstrate a higher point -- that there is no "real trance" music.


Posted by SYSTEM-J on Jan-05-2013 00:55:

Oh pipe down, Existo.

EDIT: I don't know why anyone would find this list unexpected, anyway. Holden has been very loudly on the run from his laser-reaching roots for about seven years now, so what did you expect? Love Stimulation?


Posted by djnitride on Jan-05-2013 01:49:

quote:
Originally posted by jvs
I have no doubts anymore, James Holden is an artfag. "Mind-alterting tracks" lol. As opposed to what? Tracks that don't alter your mind? What a fucking idiot!



If we let it lol. MORE LIKE IF WE PRETEND IT DOES. Just like, say, homeopathy or astrology or Christianity or whatever has magical effects on your mind if you let it. Get it fagot? Neuroscience has shown lol. Neuroscence has shown, you fucking clueless moran, that EVERY MUSIC HAS AN EFFECT ON THE BRAIN. And even more than that -- that every sound has an effect on the brain! that even fucking silence has an effect on the brain!

Basically, to demolish this "trance" fagotry once and for all, the word "hypnotic" is an euphemism for sleep-inducing a.k.a. boring. This is how talentless fucks such as James Holden try to pass off boring music as something profound in order to sell themselves, to make a living.


Would hardly call the guy who brought us tracks like this talent less.


Posted by SYSTEM-J on Jan-05-2013 02:17:

Don't reply to the obvious troll.


Posted by LoveHate on Jan-05-2013 04:20:


Posted by Timothy J. Gart on Jan-05-2013 08:04:

watch my

i really don't like the list
watch my collection on http://mp3attic.com


Posted by Guest on Jan-05-2013 11:47:

man I'm trying to listen to that list but its just pain.


Posted by SYSTEM-J on Jan-05-2013 13:43:

Incidentally, the other half of Ogenki Clinic is a guy called Gwill Morris (who was also in Main Element, etc.) and he's also the resident at a classics night called Plasma Future in Manchester. He plays a lot of Holden and Silver Planet, so if you want to hear the twinkly Holden prog sound on a dancefloor, go see Gwill Morris instead. He's very good at what he does, too.


Posted by RebeL9 on Jan-05-2013 15:32:

I actually think the list was pretty cool. That Mogwai track for instance, neat stuff. And that Yacouba Konste track. I love any track that contains the korah instrument. Not as good korah player as Touman Diabate but still great.


Posted by paulversuspaul on Jan-05-2013 18:03:

i dont find the list surprising and wasnt looking for something different, a person can change their sound and their tastes and thats ok, what gets me going about holden is the sarcastic hipster loser vibe that just comes out of his mouth. he absolutely gets on my nerves. but understandable bc for all he has done to get away from his original sound, thats the only thing he will ever be remembered for as his newer material is just not that good on any level if you ask me.


As an aside he once called this the first trance record ever made, for those unfamiliar with it, its a great track that shows electronic music really did begin in the 70s and that pre trance sound was a part of german music long before mfs and eye q records.




EDIT/UPDATE:

same mag has a much better list of the top 10 acid house tracks according to DJ Pierre Now this is a list!

we call it aceeeed


Posted by Rodri Santos on Jan-05-2013 19:04:

the few tracks i know are more techno than trance in my books, considering he has produced trance isn't that easy either he produced considerably slower and deeper music than the rest of his colleagues but he has brought to me a lot of choons. I've been listening to his remix of the sky was pink this morning.


Posted by evo8 on Jan-05-2013 19:41:

good interview with Holden from a couple of years ago. some insights to his early stuff

http://www.redbullmusicacademy.com/...order-community


Posted by jvs on Jan-05-2013 21:24:

quote:
Would hardly call the guy who brought us tracks like this talent less.


Of course, if we limit ourselves to weather channel music then it's pretty good. But weather channel music stands far lower than modern trance music -- that is to say -- music that simulates relaxation stands far lower than music that stimulates feelings of power. In other words, even the shallowest feeling of power stands ABOVE the deepest feeling of relaxation. Get it? One scarcely needs to feel slightly less bored! This happens -- and in fact it's not a need -- if one is bored of all other music and is thus left with nothing but tracks of this kind. Then, of course, he will enjoy this sort of music. However, it's a grave mistake to conclude that this feeling is somehow better than the feeling of power.

In clubs where they play only few types of music -- few types of feelings -- one is often left with the need to include a bunch of boring tracks (a bunch of "hypnotic" i.e. relaxing tracks) in order to make the less boring ones feel much better than they would if they were everything he played. This is simply because 1) electronic dance music is shallow and 2) because in order for people to enjoy themselves they first need to be bored (this is Heraclitean law; consider that in order to orgasm you first have to refrain from sex for some time, or in order to enjoy eating you need to become hungry etc).


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