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effects on effects?

Hey TA,

The best way to describe what I'm trying to accomplish is by giving an example: how would you go about eq'ing a compressor so that it only applies to certain frequencies? I'm using Ableton Live and I can't figure how to route this, it gives me a headache just thinking about it. Apologies in advance if this was covered elsewhere; in that case a simple link would suffice . Thanks!

Also another random question that has been bugging me about Ableton... is there a quicker way to bounce something down to audio rather than having to route a MIDI track to an audio track and "re-sample" it? Appreciate it

If you're looking to apply compression to only a certain range of lows/mids/highs, Ableton has a "Multiband Dynamics" plugin, or use any other multiband compressor.

If you're looking to get a bit more involved and are trying to compress certain frequencies throughout the spectrum:
-Create a chain group and add 2chainz(lol)
-put an eq on both chains
-one eq will cut everything but the frequencies you want to compress
-the other chain will be a mirror "opposite," cutting those frequencies
-adjust the points until the output sounds as close to the original signal as possible
-put a compressor on that 1st chain
-you could also make another chain for each frequency if you wanted different compression settings on each

About the bouncing to audio, try Freezing the channel then look in your project folder for the Freeze samples folder.

Ok thanks kadonomy! Sorry for the late reply...

I'll try that chain tip, but I was really looking for a more comprehensive/standardized way to do this (i.e. being able to create this eq'ing a compressor combo with any set of effects). I think I'm just being delusional though

Freezing a track seems to work, I'll try that. The main reason why I bounce down tracks to audio is to save CPU; does freezing disable plug-ins on a track or the equivalent? I'm wondering this so I can do it faster than if I have to look through folders for a sample. Thanks again!

i think freezing a track is, in actual effect, bouncing that track to audio in the background, so yeah it wont use any plugins or effects on that track as long as it remains frozen.

Then you can flatten the track if you want to make it permanent

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xm...ol#.UOuXYfE0UWg

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Originally posted by mnw479 I'm wondering this so I can do it faster than if I have to look through folders for a sample.

Once you have frozen the track, if you don't want to flatten it, so your vst's don't disappear, you can create an empty audio track and just ctrl click on the frozen clip and drag it to the empty audio track, then you still have all the original work frozen and you can have the audio from it easily to manipulate without searching through folders.

I like the multiband dynamics route the best.. seems the easiest and most logical.. but eh.. what do I know..

you can always just use the fx version of the synth you want to resample it in. Using absynth for example as an effect can make the process instant and non static.

re ryan : wtf are you going on about.

hell I dunno. I'm lost in a mist of wtf almost constantly. The dellusions I experience push me further and further to the edge of insanity while grasping onto the fact that 30+ year olds don't suddenly make it in the music biz and wondering wth am I going to do next.

I'm starting out the year single, unemployed, broke, virtually homeless, and without a clue as to where or what I should go/do next.

Yea, this is my world amd I hope its a place that you never have to visit.

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Originally posted by DJRYAN� I'm starting out the year single, unemployed, broke, virtually homeless, and without a clue as to where or what I should go/do next. Yea, this is my world amd I hope its a place that you never have to visit.

Good thing is it can only get better from there, and it will if you don't give up!

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Originally posted by SherlockCrash Good thing is it can only get better from there, and it will if you don't give up!

quit the clubbing. Unless those dates in your signature have a different role. Learn a trade/ You aren't going to make it in the music industry. You aren't the brightest the person on the planet. Learn a trade and make a decent living.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney quit the clubbing. Unless those dates in your signature have a different role. Learn a trade/ You aren't going to make it in the music industry. You aren't the brightest the person on the planet. Learn a trade and make a decent living.

you know you really are a pompous arrogant ass.. I used to like you.. Now you can gfys you pretentious fuck.. ..

and I'm a better dj than you..

i'm not the pompous one. Stop the posturing and accept that you are never going to make it and get a job. You are on the one that is almost homeless. If you are under some illusion that you are going to break the EDM scene on its head, you are going to be disappointed. I mean you have absolutely no chance in the next 10 years. Why put all this pressure on something that is just impossible.

so stop telling yourself you are a good dj. Go learn to stick plastic tubes together and you will be happy.

lol.. yea.. sorry.. I feel better now that I smoked.. dude.. whatever.. life is as I guess I wanted it to be.. Sorry for going off on you..

I just want to clarify something about multiband compression. You seem new to production. I want to explain this the easiest way I can. You will choose sounds to determine how the frequency range of the track is shaped. This is called sound selection. Main sounds like drums, leads and basslines, pads will fill out, respectively, their own part of the mix, frequency wise. So if you have good sound selection you can just properly compress those element of the mix as you go, and forget multibrand compression entirely.

Honestly, at this point in your production phase, one of my best recommendations to you is that there are far more things you should be worrying about in terms of gaining a cohesive and present mix, and if you fiddle around worrying about this it will just delay your journey.

An example can be a lead. A lead will take up a certain frequency area, relative to the octave and notes being played, that is how it works in a mix. So, you would just compress the lead normally. Multiband comp. is not only unneccesary for you, it's also unpractical and not useful in your situation.

Multiband can be very useful for mastering, and that is basically where its usefulness lay. I would also not worry about mastering your work. Many new producers think that if their track is louder it seems better, this is an auditory trick that neophytes mistake as improvement of quality. If you need it to be louder, turn it up on your computer or speakers.

sorry for bringing this thread back from the dead xD. i've been busy so I just had time to read all the replies, which have been very helpful!

Evolve:

I understand that I probably don't want to be doing multiband compression with individual elements in the mix. I was just giving an example of a effect on another effect, which I think would be a very creative and useful tool that I often think about but always confuses me.

evo/lucidity:

thanks guys! this was just what I was looking for

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