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Posted by frontebb on Sep-18-2002 18:49:

Thumbs down Art or Assault?Umm, no maybe apalled?

Ok let's leave the kiddie shit-talk aside for a second and talk reality. I saw this posted today in the NYPOST.
I couldn't believe my eyes when I read through it. As the title reads:




"Shameful Art Attack-Art or Assault"
The Rockefeller Center here in NYC has commemorated the terror attacks on the WTC by putting up a sculpture of a falling victim from one of the Twin Towers.

What the freak is America coming to?
Jesus. Excuse me, let me pick up my jaw here.
I work 4 blocks from the Rockefellar Center and I HAVE to see this with my own eyeballs to believe it.

Read on:

http://www.nypost.com/commentary/57305.htm


Posted by Lira on Sep-18-2002 23:56:

Isso � doentio! (This is sick!)


Posted by biznology on Sep-19-2002 00:04:

umm...

i dunno what to think. i do think the newspaper was being far from objective, and last time i checked, reporters are supposed to be a *little* objective.

as for the sculpture. dunno still. its not the greatest idea - and it prolly doesnt need to be in the middle of the freaking Rockefeller Center, but its just art. Is seeing that worse than seeing the news repeatedly showing people leap to their death - forr ratings? Or all the people that exploited the 911 event for profit last week?

and in the history of art there have been bad ideas, gross objectionable ideas, and brilliant ones. I certainly dont think that this falls into the 'brilliant idea' category - but its getting noticed, and how many statues and pieces of art actually get that respect? not many!

now im just waiting for this beauty to be plastered all over CNN/Fox/CBS/NBC/et al... THAT will be horrifying. peace|


Posted by Vanilla on Sep-19-2002 00:18:

Wouldnt a firefighter statue be better???


Posted by tranceDJ on Sep-19-2002 01:51:

Well, IMO it captures the sadness and tragedy of the day. It does go overboard but so does a lot of art. It is probably too much for some and really shouldn't be in a museum but isn't this almost censorship? I'm sure the artist of this isn't trying to be sick at all but expressing their feelings of the day.


Posted by Tranz on Sep-19-2002 01:56:

That's the last thing I want to remember about the WTC, is the people who jumped out of the building. You have got to be kidding me. That statue won't last a week. That's fucked.


Posted by Arbiter on Sep-19-2002 02:25:

quote:
Originally posted by Vanilla
Wouldnt a firefighter statue be better???


Nah, what they really ought to do is make a nude statue of Mohammed Atta with the genetalia reduced to about the size of a dime, then let people piss on it for $1 and donate the proceeds to charity.

But I guess a firefighter statue would be ok - just kind of uncreative.

The statue of a falling victim, though, is a retarted idea. They should throw whoever thought it up off a building.


Posted by Tranzmit on Sep-19-2002 03:13:

Good art is supposed to be agressive and searing, thought-provoking and sometimes infuriating. Did it make you think about those people and spare a few moments out of your day to feel what they were going through? Thats what the sculpter wanted to achieve in this. Yeah he could've done something else but this forces you to put your mind to something you'd rather not think about and as such it serves it's purpose.

Peace


Posted by netw3rkd on Sep-19-2002 03:18:


Posted by tranceDJ on Sep-19-2002 03:20:

IMO some of you are being too shallow in thinking about this. You just see it and think "OMG, thats so horrible, no one wants to see that kind of thing" instead of thinking of the message behind it. All art has a message and meaning behind it...you just have to look at it and open up your mind.


Posted by jdat on Sep-19-2002 03:55:

NUTS!


Posted by robstar on Sep-19-2002 05:17:

quote:
Originally posted by a-aplz


Yep...
I agree...






Fucked up' shuuite!


Posted by mr. poopyhead on Sep-19-2002 05:39:

that's fucked....

art is fucked up these days. shitty artists can't get recognized for their art, so they go and do something contraversial/stupid to get some recognition.


Posted by malek on Sep-19-2002 08:03:

art is supposed to be provocative/shocking/out of the ordinary nowadays to be noticed...

I'm with tranzmit on this one.


Posted by BluNine on Sep-19-2002 08:54:

thought provoking? thinking of people falling from burning buildings and splattering (excuse my bluntness) when they hit the ground is not my idea of "a higher level of thought." im thinking more along the lines of umm...publicity stunt?


Posted by frontebb on Sep-19-2002 14:03:

quote:
Originally posted by mr. poopyhead
that's fucked....
art is fucked up these days. shitty artists can't get recognized for their art, so they go and do something contraversial/stupid to get some recognition.


I agree. It's selfish.
I can't fathom how someone is going to allow a statue -of what might be a family member of one who was involved in the tragedy -to be exposed like this? For what reason? Attention? Publicity?MONEY? HATE perhaps. It is so selfish, inconsiderate, unethical and not to mention disrespectful. The artist looks for trouble- knowing how much controversy it would cause-why would it allowed?
Next time let's make a statue of a victim who didn't survive rape & murder.


Posted by Tranz on Sep-19-2002 14:30:

Art is supposed to be shocking? What the hell?
More like creative... and this lacks creativity.
Maybe if the artist had some, this wouldn't have happened.
Where is Keith Haring when you need him.... R.I.P.


Posted by frontebb on Sep-19-2002 15:31:

Agreed.

"It's suppose to dignify their deaths"

It's suppose to be an expressive piece...expressive? This guys just an asshole. This isn't creative. This is a cheap way out. A cheap way to gaining publicity.

"Tumbling Woman"- bizarre!


Posted by mr. poopyhead on Sep-20-2002 05:59:

someone made the point before that the sculpture is supposed to be thought provoking, and is supposed to express the pain and suffering felt that day. fine, i give credit for that, that's artistic.

but i mean, haven't people felt enough suffering? what kind of emotions is the artist trying to evoke in the viewer? anger? hate. i dunno what the artist was thinking.


Posted by Nadi on Sep-20-2002 06:45:

Every artists goal is to express ideas and invoke thoughts. By the response of the magazine and peoples responses to this thread, he's accomplished at least one of them.



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