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Izotope "Mastering with Ozone" updated

Yeah, that's right - the "M" word, beotches. The 2013 update for "Mastering with Ozone" is here.

http://downloads.izotope.com/guides...ngWithOzone.pdf

It's also available on eBook for iOS via iTunes.

gotta have Ozone5 (Advanced) I slap this bad boy on the tail end of everyone of my productions as well as everyone of my mixes.. If I'm djing out, (a set) I run all my tracks through it first as well.. I never used to do this but it makes a world of difference.. Especially when your listening to a dj set.. Thanks for posting this!!

probably not the smartest thing to do. Just slap it on, Preset -> dub monster drop.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney probably not the smartest thing to do. Just slap it on, Preset -> dub monster drop.

I don't recall asking you..


btw..


Usually when I play out I'm using a djm800 or at the house a 600.. If I'm using cdj's, how does one route the output signal of the mixer through the laptop IF the mixer is connected to the amp or speakers via XLR cables? RCA's would be simple but who uses RCA's in the club LOL..

Essentially I want to send whatever signal is playing through the mixer to my cpu, to be routed through Ableton/Ozone5 without latency issues as well, without having the club having to do anything extraordinary? Can that be done?? Or should I continue to pre-filter my tracks first??

i just don't understand why you would do this. The tracks have been mastered. Live is actually when greater dynamic range can sound better. ie play a 909 live and compare that to a recording. I think you are just inexperienced as a dj and playing on a shit system. Same reason why a round kick will sound much louder and present than a kick with lots of transients. So why you would want to put "ALL" your tracks in Ozone , well i don't really understand why.

If you are that bad at mixing and you need something to help your levels, you would need something on the mix, not the individual tracks.

Feel free to experiment but given the tracks youve posted, i would be very wary of anything you do with a tool like this.

What clubs do you play at ? For someone that likes to hype shit more than a black guy, you seem to be very quiet about this one particular aspect which is un becoming.

I wouldn't advise running already-mastered tracks in a DJ set through Ozone either. Let the PA do its work - the tracks have already been maximized for loudness (actually, likely over-maximized these days), so let your mixer and the PA do its work. There's no reason to squeeze any remaining dynamic range out of your tracks when you have a PA/mixer at your disposal (ya know, doing what a DJ supposedly does).

I guess I could see using some upward expansion to restore some dynamic range to tracks that have been over-limited, but I sure as hell wouldn't try to do that in real-time. Do it offline and bounce it before you add it to your set.

Obviously you're not a dj.. Nor are you hearing what I'm hearing.. Go listen to any of the sets from ASOT550 in Den Bosch. They all sound the same. All the tracks in each one of the headliners sets have been re-mastered so each track sounds like the one before.. They did this one of two ways. They either took each track and ran it through a filter e.g.: Ozone5 and then re-burned their cd's or dropped it on their stick, or they had the filter working live.

As of now I've been filtering my tracks and then burning them to cd so that I obtain the same effect.

I just called ProAudio and got the answer. I need an audio interface, one with XLR connections. I plug the club's XLR Wires into that audio interface, and then into my laptop, and then run them into my mixer. The signal is being processed through Ableton with Ozone5 running so that anything coming from the mixer is effected by Ozone5 thus giving me the results I desire.

L4C please stop acting like you know everything. I don't care if you've graduated from Julliard or not.. You relegated to TranceAddict as your stomping grounds while some of us actually have other things going on.. And have different ideas than your text book 1,2,3 - A,B,C type ideology.


Also.. if you wanna hear the difference between a flat dj set and what I'm doing.. Check out his mix: http://djryan.com/sets/TranceSessions2.mp3 <--< Link works =)

That puts into perspective the dynamics that occur from this effect and the overall amplification of all frequencies not just on one track, but throughout the entire set. Allowing for a sound that maintains continuity throughout..

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Originally posted by cryophonik I wouldn't advise running already-mastered tracks in a DJ set through Ozone either. Let the PA do its work - the tracks have already been maximized for loudness (actually, likely over-maximized these days), so let your mixer and the PA do its work. There's no reason to squeeze any remaining dynamic range out of your tracks when you have a PA/mixer at your disposal (ya know, doing what a DJ supposedly does). I guess I could see using some upward expansion to restore some dynamic range to tracks that have been over-limited, but I sure as hell wouldn't try to do that in real-time. Do it offline and bounce it before you add it to your set.

when i dj'd my brothers wedding, i had each channel going to a chain and then the mix going to another chain so that it would sound great no matter how drunk i was. I also warped everything. As long as i could stand, i could not make a mistake.

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Originally posted by DJRYAN� Obviously you're not a dj.. Nor are you hearing what I'm hearing.. Go listen to any of the sets from ASOT550 in Den Bosch. They all sound the same. All the tracks in each one of the headliners sets have been re-mastered so each track sounds like the one before.. They did this one of two ways. They either took each track and ran it through a filter e.g.: Ozone5 and then re-burned their cd's or dropped it on their stick, or they had the filter working live. As of now I've been filtering my tracks and then burning them to cd so that I obtain the same effect.

I was a dj with alot more experience than you will ever have. Those compilations are for listeners on ipods. This isn't the same as djing live you retard.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney when i dj'd my brothers wedding, i had each channel going to a chain and then the mix going to another chain so that it would sound great no matter how drunk i was. I also warped everything. As long as i could stand, i could not make a mistake. I was a dj with alot more experience than you will ever have. Those compilations are for listeners on ipods. This isn't the same as djing live you retard.

In otherwords, you can't match a beat and you want technology to do your mixing for you? Great!! You're a genius!!

I once went to a club where the DJ obviously loved bass, because that's all I could hear. If I really strained, I could make out some melodic content, but he'd done a pretty good job of killing it completely.

And other DJs will take songs which have already been mastered to their dynamic limit and run them through another mastering chain (like Ozone). I'm thinking the deficiencies of the live situation (very high levels, bad acoustics, drugs etc) means nobody cares, or notices, that much.

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Originally posted by DJRYAN� In otherwords, you can't match a beat and you want technology to do your mixing for you? Great!! You're a genius!!

umm it was a wedding. 1 time thing my brother asked me to do. When i was a dj about 10 years before, I had a record collection of 5500, played 2 nights a week at the main afterhour club 1000 people each night for 2 years. . You don't get to talk about beat matching with your fucking cdjs and make belief dj sets at clubs that don't exist. YOu don't know a fucking thing about djing because that would require you to play i front of people.

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Originally posted by derail I'm thinking the deficiencies of the live situation (very high levels, bad acoustics, drugs etc) means nobody cares, or notices, that much.

I notice and that's just it.. Other people notice.. You might think its insignificant but it takes the sound of the entire mix to the next level.. Seriously.. Listen: http://djryan.com/sets/TranceSessions2.mp3

Super clear, super loud, and its that way throughout the entire set.. It also boosts all the frequencies increasing the overall energy (I think) throughout the entire mix..

OK, disregard my previous comment - I thought he was talking about strapping Ozone across the master output channel during a live DJ set. That's a set I would not want my ears exposed to.

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Originally posted by DJRYAN� I notice and that's just it.. Other people notice.. You might think its insignificant but it takes the sound of the entire mix to the next level.. Seriously.. Listen: http://djryan.com/sets/TranceSessions2.mp3 Super clear, super loud, and its that way throughout the entire set.. It also boosts all the frequencies increasing the overall energy (I think) throughout the entire mix..

ON YOUR HOME SYSTEM!!!! IE YOUR FUCKING IPOD. If god forbid someone lets you play on a proper sound system, this actually soudns worse. They don't do it for sets that are done live unless they do it after for those listening. Just shut the fuck up please.

and that mix sounds like utter shit. Lets slap something on you don't know how to use and get rid of the kick drum. Tat is basically what you did.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney ON YOUR HOME SYSTEM!!!! IE YOUR FUCKING IPOD. If god forbid someone lets you play on a proper sound system, this actually soudns worse. They don't do it for sets that are done live unless they do it after for those listening. Just shut the fuck up please. and that mix sounds like utter shit. Lets slap something on you don't know how to use and get rid of the kick drum. Tat is basically what you did.

u silly canadien

sounds the same imo..

Armin van Buuren @ ASOT550 (Den Bosch- Netherlands)(Recorded Live w/ No Post Filtering)
http://www.livesets.at/2012/04/01/a...nds-31-03-2012/

you can't obtain this sound without doing what we're talking about..

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Originally posted by DJRYAN� ...super loud, and its that way throughout the entire set..

Well, first of all, I wouldn't brag about super loud being a good thing - the reason people hate the loudness wars is because it's not a good thing. Also, having something too loud throughout the entire set results in hearing fatigue, which ultimately can have the opposite effect. That said, I'm listening to your mix and looking at the waveform in Audacity, and it doesn't sound or look too loud by any means - there's a ton of dynamic range left. Whatever you did to the tracks was probably very subtle, and I wouldn't characterize it as being "super loud".

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Originally posted by cryophonik Well, first of all, I wouldn't brag about super loud being a good thing - the reason people hate the loudness wars is because it's not a good thing. Also, having something too loud throughout the entire set results in hearing fatigue, which ultimately can have the opposite effect. That said, I'm listening to your mix and looking at the waveform in Audacity, and it doesn't sound or look too loud by any means - there's a ton of dynamic range left. Whatever you did to the tracks was probably very subtle, and I wouldn't characterize it as being "super loud".

probably not "super loud" but definitely an increase in intensity. Again check out the AVB Set.. The same dynamics that occur in that set occurs in mine. Probably due to the same process that I'm trying to emulate.

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Originally posted by tehlord

Naw, we don't need a babysitter for this thread.

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Originally posted by DJRYAN� probably not "super loud" but definitely an increase in intensity. Again check out the AVB Set.. The same dynamics that occur in that set occurs in mine. Probably due to the same process that I'm trying to emulate.

YOU DON'T FUCKING GET IT

this is fine for mixes meant for an ipod. It doesn't work live.

Get this thru your fucking pea sized brain.

And what ever treatment is done, it is done by someone that knows a little bit about production. You are a monkey with a limiter.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney YOU DON'T FUCKING GET IT this is fine for mixes meant for an ipod. It doesn't work live. Get this thru your fucking pea sized brain. And what ever treatment is done, it is done by someone that knows a little bit about production. You are a monkey with a limiter.

you keep saying that this is fine for mixes played on an Ipod yet the examples I've posted come directly from the event, played and recorded live, with some kind of chain effecting the overall output so that it sounds the way it does throughout the entire mix. I can hear the crowd noise. I listened to this set "live" as it was happening clear across on the other side of the world. How is this meant to be played on an ipod when thousands of people are gathered in an arena listening to the same thing I am in the example.. I swear YOU don't get it!!

added after. They go thru a standard chain to protect the system and account for the setup but the chain isn't meant to master your mix. This is done in post possibly at the same time for people that want to listen. And the crowd is also mixed in. Fuck for all you know that crowd isn't real. Its called broadcast you fucking idiot. Same process used for radio. IF it is played on radio, then it has to meet certain standards which usually will degrade EDM as this mix shows.

you aren't getting the fucking output of the mixer.You aren't actually listening live either.

I think I've accomplished what it is that I set out to accomplish. My mixes after adding Ozone5 sound comparable to those sets I hear coming from other dj's.. Regardless of what the almighty L4C thinks..

except you plan to do this live. And that is the issue. It doesn't sound good live. How hard is it to understand. This is done for people with shitty speakers and car stereos. IT doesn't sound good, It sounds squashed and lifeless. Kinda like your mixes but not quite so horrid.

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