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If Kraftwerk or other prominent producers were to have an inclination to make the kind of music we listen to today, could they recreate our modern day music using the same technologies they had then? Could they make Dubstep, or some of the hi-octane Trance patches that are prevalent in today's music??

If you're asking if they could make supersaws using vintage synths and drown them in delays and reverbs, or modulate a square oscillator with an LFO, then the answer is yes, of course. Why do you ask?

I was just sitting here thinking about time travel and whether or not I could teleport back to the dawn of EDM, knowing what I know now, using their same technology if I could make what we hear today. I thought that if it was possible, how it would change the face of Electronic Dance Music.

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Originally posted by DJRYAN� I was just sitting here thinking about time travel and whether or not I could teleport back to the dawn of EDM, knowing what I know now, using their same technology if I could make what we hear today. I thought that if it was possible, how it would change the face of Electronic Dance Music.

That's a film that is.

Those that work in LA, get this fcuker signed fast before I fly out there and pitch it.

I'm serious. What if someone were to go back in time, and modulate a square wave via an LFO and create dubstep back in the 70's. Or, use some of these profoundly superb supersaws we hear today and make trance.. Everyone talks about the "classics" and yes, as good as they were then, they seem simple by today's standards.. So what if we had today's music then? How would that transform the scene and more importantly how would our music sound today knowing that everything we hear now, could've been made then??

Doubt it. Synths did not have unison,resampling a 10 second clib while splitting the frequency bands and applying a chain of effects that would cripple trevor horns studio. It just was not feasible. Im terms of synthesis kraftwerk were rather simple. Most fx teams working in film would run circles around any synth pop musician.

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Originally posted by DJRYAN� I'm serious. What if someone were to go back in time, and modulate a square wave via an LFO and create dubstep back in the 70's. Or, use some of these profoundly superb supersaws we hear today and make trance.. Everyone talks about the "classics" and yes, as good as they were then, they seem simple by today's standards.. So what if we had today's music then? How would that transform the scene and more importantly how would our music sound today knowing that everything we hear now, could've been made then??

Hold on a second. My first post was assuming you were talking about new practices in synthesis and sound design. Doctor who has your dubstep wobble the theme song. Dont forget everyone now is standing on the shoulders of giants.

Your question is like asking what would the world be like if the nazis had c130 ground support planes, f22 fighter jets and diet pepsi.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney Doubt it. Synths did not have unison,resampling a 10 second clib while splitting the frequency bands and applying a chain of effects that would cripple trevor horns studio. It just was not feasible. Im terms of synthesis kraftwerk were rather simple. Most fx teams working in film would run circles around any synth pop musician.

ah now this is what I'm getting to.. Did the synths then lack in voices, lfo's, and eq's, reverb's, etc.. to recreate the type of music then?? And by how much?? Certainly anyone who has a Prophet, Mood Modular, MiniMoog, Jupiter8, etc. etc.. can create sounds today that would rival some of the ones created then.. but why?? Because we are familiar with those sounds?? So how did technology limit us from making those sounds then and/or was it because of mental limitations or technological limitations?

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney Doubt it. Synths did not have unison,resampling a 10 second clib while splitting the frequency bands and applying a chain of effects that would cripple trevor horns studio. It just was not feasible.

Sure, not likely, but definitely doable using effects, layering, multi-tracking/panning, etc. Hell, you could recreate most dubstep or trance synth tracks using one vintage analog mono and a couple of stone-age stomp boxes if you wanted to spend the time (and arguably even get better results). Well, maybe YOU couldn't do it, but smart people could.

can I hear the original Dr. Who dubstep wobble??

Not the stuff by koan, noisia, savant....

The old stuff maybe. But the modern stuff , It was not within the realm of the technology.

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Originally posted by DJRYAN� ah now this is what I'm getting to.. Did the synths then lack in voices, lfo's, and eq's, reverb's, etc.. to recreate the type of music then?? And by how much?? Certainly anyone who has a Prophet, Mood Modular, MiniMoog, Jupiter8, etc. etc.. can create sounds today that would rival some of the ones created then.. but why?? Because we are familiar with those sounds?? So how did technology limit us from making those sounds then and/or was it because of mental limitations or technological limitations?

It all depends on which era you're talking about. If you're talking early 70s, then no, most synths didn't have those features contained in one unit, but as I said above, that wouldn't necessarily stop you from getting the desired results using multiple pieces of gear and some not-so-unusual production techniques. By the mid-80s, one decent polysynth and one cheap Alesis FX unit would give you more than you'd ever need to create today's sounds. Hell, people are doing exactly that with their vintage synths as we speak - that's why the prices on vintage synths are outa control.

I see.. I was just interested in knowing.. I thought that would be the first thing I'd try to do if time travel existed.. I'd take back a copy of Nero and I dunno, maybe some of the anthem like trance, to a producer then, and say here, lets do this.. and then go crazy in the studio.. I didn't know if it was possible or not..

Your main stumbling block would be 24 bit headroom I suspect.

Slamming is as much a creative tool as a mixing one now.

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Originally posted by tehlord Your main stumbling block would be 24 bit headroom I suspect.

And the fact that we preferred music with some dynamic range back then. Oh, and we liked Debbie Boone.



Yeah, I'm that old.

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeahhh baby.

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Originally posted by cryophonik It all depends on which era you're talking about. If you're talking early 70s, then no, most synths didn't have those features contained in one unit, but as I said above, that wouldn't necessarily stop you from getting the desired results using multiple pieces of gear and some not-so-unusual production techniques. By the mid-80s, one decent polysynth and one cheap Alesis FX unit would give you more than you'd ever need to create today's sounds. Hell, people are doing exactly that with their vintage synths as we speak - that's why the prices on vintage synths are outa control.

Still was not in the realm of possible. A typical noisia Reece has more going on than any studio could cater. Wont say impossible, but consider how many channels one would need and how it would be very unlikely that someone would bounce something 50 times on a hunch. Only a select few had the resources and funds.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney Wont say impossible, but consider how many channels one would need and how it would be very unlikely that someone would bounce something 50 times on a hunch. Only a select few had the resources and funds.

Yup, that's what I said:

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Originally posted by cryophonik Sure, not likely, but definitely doable...

cause we were still in the 8 track days??

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Originally posted by DJRYAN� cause we were still in the 8 track days??

I grew up with vinyl and reel-to-reel. 8-tracks and cassettes came later. Geoff and Darek know what I'm talking about, right?

Fook yeah

I gave up making music when the 8 track digital ADATs started to appear as it was just to much hassle and expense. I recall it was about �3k for an ADAT, for 8 channels of digital audio. And that was without a mixer.

To get anything approaching even the most basic cut down DAW from today would have cost you about �20-30k twenty years ago.

Then in 2006 I just happened across the demo version of Fruity Loops 7 (I think it was) and played the Blake Reary demo. Talk about eye opener.

Kids these days, they don't know what they have do they?

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Originally posted by tehlord Kids these days, they don't know what they have do they?

Now, if they would just get the f### off my lawn.

raise your hand if you had a portastudio.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney raise your hand if you had a portastudio.

Hellz to the yeah! Record, record, bounce, record, bounce, record, oops - erase, record, bounce.... Good times, terrible results, worth every penny.

Tascam 488 here. I was dead posh. Atari ST with a DX7, D50 and Jump 1 as well.

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