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I don't mean beans, but fuck these pain killers are taking souls.

Anyone else lost/losing friends to this shit?

Down here in Florida it's become an epidemic and it's the saddest thing to see a good friend go through. I've given the dude so many chances and it's going no where. I almost feel guilty cause we grew up together and have been through so much but it's time to cut ties. Walking away and saying goodbye for good is hard as fuck, right now.

At the same time, it doesn't stop and it doesn't seem like it will.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by OrangestO
Walking away and saying goodbye for good is hard as fuck, right now.

At the same time, it doesn't stop and it doesn't seem like it will. /QUOTE]

take something to ease the pain.

Yeah I knew a guy who's just been doping himself full of diazepam, weed and other benzos. Maybe not painkillers per se, but benzo abuse can be just as serious. I finally had to walk away. Dude's definitely changed over the years I've known him.

As one of my favourite pieces of graffiti once put it...

Medication rules the nation.

Typical...

Oh yeah, this is most common among teenagers here - a relative of mine, she is 17, broke up, then tried to Actually get back together with him a few days later, then, as you already guessed, realised it is not going to work. I was just on my way to her parents', found the crazy chick (apologies in advance to all sensitive audience out there) on her bed with an empty bottle of painkillers next to her on the floor...I was like "oh for fk sake". Next thing she tells me (after she's been treated in the hospital for days) "oh it was so dumb of me, I am soo stupid blaablaablaa" and what do you know, a couple of months later, deja vu in the air. (This is almost everyday news that a student in some school of so and so, overdosed on painkillers - at some point I was in the pharmacy and the lady behind the desk refused to sell painkillers to a 15? 16? year-old girl, made me chuckle a little )

For some reason my sympathy is very limited towards people who begin to abuse these painkillers especially when they are trying to commit suicide.

One of my colleagues, who is, well, supposed to be out of teen age, is 24 - things got tough with him and her, hectic times at work, he begins to swallow those damn painkillers right infront of my eyes at work, not 1 or 2, a palm full. I didn't even say anything, I thought he'd been on those things too long, he wouldn't even see I was there if I didn't punch him in the face.

It's funny, I have less problem with it, when women do it, but if other men break so easily ..ughh, it is just agitating.

Never known anyone who did it, but I have seen a number of billboards for Suboxone treatment, so I guess someone around here is.

weird this thread is coming up. i was just watching a documentary on Florida and their pill problem this weekend.

i dunno why people can't just be smart. i mean i think we've all pretty much used drugs, but why do you have to destroy your life with it?

They're taking steps against this soon. People being prescribed opiate painkillers are going to begin getting drug tested before getting their scripts. If they don't have the correct levels of the drug in their system, the doctors can assume they're selling them/giving them away, and will void the script altogether.

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Originally posted by looom Oh yeah, this is most common among teenagers here - a relative of mine, she is 17, broke up, then tried to Actually get back together with him a few days later, then, as you already guessed, realised it is not going to work. I was just on my way to her parents', found the crazy chick (apologies in advance to all sensitive audience out there) on her bed with an empty bottle of painkillers next to her on the floor...I was like "oh for fk sake". Next thing she tells me (after she's been treated in the hospital for days) "oh it was so dumb of me, I am soo stupid blaablaablaa" and what do you know, a couple of months later, deja vu in the air. (This is almost everyday news that a student in some school of so and so, overdosed on painkillers - at some point I was in the pharmacy and the lady behind the desk refused to sell painkillers to a 15? 16? year-old girl, made me chuckle a little ) For some reason my sympathy is very limited towards people who begin to abuse these painkillers especially when they are trying to commit suicide. One of my colleagues, who is, well, supposed to be out of teen age, is 24 - things got tough with him and her, hectic times at work, he begins to swallow those damn painkillers right infront of my eyes at work, not 1 or 2, a palm full. I didn't even say anything, I thought he'd been on those things too long, he wouldn't even see I was there if I didn't punch him in the face. It's funny, I have less problem with it, when women do it, but if other men break so easily ..ughh, it is just agitating.

this story strikes me more as ... "some chick i know has tried to commit suicide by pain pills a couple times. lulz"

whereas the thread is talking about people taking the stuff recreationally and becoming dependent/addicted.
I've known people that have tried it, even spent a week or two blowing through a supply, but never anyone who has become addicted (except for one chick i dated - the only person I've ever known to be truly addicted to weed - who would use any small excuse to pop some vicodin: 'i'm really drunk and just fell on my knees! vicodin!' suffice it to say we didn't last long after this sort of behavior became recurrent.). honestly, it seems to me like most of the people who get addicted to this kind of stuff are already lowest-common-denominator, in some way or another.

a best friend of mine (former ta, actually) has tried all of this shit, and i've always been in the know about it. but he's a smart, upstanding guy and i never once caught him taking it too far. he was trying oxy at one point and i thought 'wow that shits all over the news! u r gonna die, dude' - he took it for a week, enjoyed it, and then never again.

I do recognize, though, that there are also doctors to blame for this particular epidemic: pill-pushers who unwittingly (i'd like to believe) nurture dependence. my girlfriend was diagnosed as bipolar, so she was prescribed lithium (which i think is fucking extreme - i've had another friend go through the same - but the debate rages and who am i to say), but she was also given some sort of sleeping pill that functions as an antidepressant, which is the kind of pill that has more negative effects than positive ones and strikes me as nothing more than a money-grab. fortunately, she couldn't stand the stuff and stopped taking it early on.


I think that my perspective on pharmaceuticals is a little bit extreme, and maybe that comes through here, but it's not unwarranted: my dad, a phd chemist, has made his living in the chemistry industry in manufacturing/designing/sales. he's careful to not even abuse tylenol, and takes it only when he has a migraine or some serious pain. he doesn't even believe in most of what big pharma pushes, and we've talked about how most drugs nowadays are approved based on a pay-to-play system, with studies on new drugs repeated ad infinitum until the desired results are achieved and then published. he's especially critical of the pain pill industry, citing it as a distinctly american problem ("you americans just don't know what real pain is...everybody nowadays moans and whines about the slightest ache"). suffice it to say that my views on this topic were shaped by his.

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Originally posted by LAdazeNYnights my girlfriend was diagnosed as bipolar, so she was prescribed lithium (which i think is fucking extreme

Lithium is the most common and some argue the most effective drug for treating bipolar disorder actually. It also doesn't really have much propensity to be abused.

I know, but I didn't raise it in the context of abuse (if you read it that way then the mistake was likely on my end), but rather in the context of drugs that (1) aren't entirely kosher and (2) physicians nurture dependence on.

While it is the most prescribed, and probably the most 'effective' (whatever that really means in this context), it's certainly..well, let's say 'far from perfect'.

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Originally posted by LAdazeNYnights

It's also an addiction among many, but it's like an inexperienced junkie, OD is easy to come by. Other addictions are also sniffing that anti-running nose thing, you know the thing you shoot up your nose , sold in small spray bottles.(can't think of any other word at the moment than shoot )
But then again, if you look on the bright side, any damage caused by painkillers and other medications (through abusing them that is, not talking about OD right now) cannot nearly be as awful as a smoking addiction - I used to smoke a lot and as I think back, it was D R E A D F U L. There might be some mental cases with the pills, but technically the body and all vital bits and pieces should be ok.

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Originally posted by LAdazeNYnights While it is the most prescribed, and probably the most 'effective' (whatever that really means in this context), it's certainly..well, let's say 'far from perfect'.

It's better than being bipolar.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 It's better than being bipolar.

See but I think that's very subjective. A friend of mine struggled for a long time to get off of lithium because she couldn't stand feeling like a zombie, and how life had become a constant, boring gray.
Is that really better?

I think in general there exists a problem whereby it is not acceptable to include pain and suffering as part of the human experience. People will, understandably, do just about anything to avoid these experiences, and as such we are losing the ability to cope with them without popping pills - it takes too much time and effort to do anything else.

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Originally posted by LAdazeNYnights See but I think that's very subjective. A friend of mine struggled for a long time to get off of lithium because she couldn't stand feeling like a zombie, and how life had become a constant, boring gray. Is that really better?

I'd imagine that would be better than going from episodes of mania to extreme bouts of depression, yes.

Back in high school there was an info session by a psychologist and he said essentially, if you abuse drugs or medicine such as painkillers it's going to numb your mind - translated: you are gonna wind up retarded (that's my view on it) so that preetty much scared the sh*t out of me to not eeeever do any drugs . Can't imagine how I began the smoking, though, I guess you can afford a couple of times to say "fuck it".
About coping with pain - mental or physical, well, yeah, we are not designed to, BUT it doesn't mean we are not able to. Shit is going to happen nonetheless, blocking out all the "pain" is like walking around like a zombie and zombies are retarded, last time I checked.

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Originally posted by Silky Johnson I think in general there exists a problem whereby it is not acceptable to include pain and suffering as part of the human experience. People will, understandably, do just about anything to avoid these experiences, and as such we are losing the ability to cope with them without popping pills - it takes too much time and effort to do anything else.

Stunning analysis. Give us more.

Oh fuck off. Honestly.

I see it everyday at work. This idea of the "good patient", who is never in pain, never needs anything, never "whiny", etc. It's bullshit. People get sick and have pain and feel depressed sometimes - for some people it's all the time. Why can't people allow themselves to feel that way? Allow themselves the experience of being sick/in pain/whatever? Not to wallow in it, but to be present in that experience and find resilience in living through it?

Nope, just pop some pills instead and never complain about anything, ever!

Not that I discount the importance and effectiveness of pharmaceuticals in many situations, just saying.

lol I swear she thinks she's Gregory House.

I bet if she was dying from cancer she'd surely just stick through the pain and be "present in that experience and find resilience in living through it."

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Originally posted by Silky Johnson Oh fuck off. Honestly. I see it everyday at work. This idea of the "good patient", who is never in pain, never needs anything, never "whiny", etc. It's bullshit. People get sick and have pain and feel depressed sometimes - for some people it's all the time. Why can't people allow themselves to feel that way? Allow themselves the experience of being sick/in pain/whatever? Not to wallow in it, but to be present in that experience and find resilience in living through it? Nope, just pop some pills instead and never complain about anything, ever! Not that I discount the importance and effectiveness of pharmaceuticals in many situations, just saying.

I thought of something when I read that. "Just pop some pills" - so you believe they work, because that what the package description says? You just gave me an idea, I am going to replace my colleagues painkillers with placebos and see what the guy makes of it.

What?

Testing the placebo effect and he is going to be my guinea pig, gonna do it this week for sure

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