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Where's the trance?

I know the trance scene has been slow in recent years but fuck, it's damn near non-existent here in 2013. There's really jackshit being booked. Cosmic Gate at Mansion or Story or whatever...you have your obligatory Markus booking (but it's not a Space booking)...and some bullshit like Arty.

I don't think I remember trance being this dead, ever. Absolutely nothing interesting at all in Florida for trance. Very sad. Esscala up in New York City is doing great things, you'd think at least Miami would get some of those guys down here as well. Not the case. Guess it also explains the lack of activity on this board.

Remember when the promoters were telling us how awesome they were at getting talent in Miami?

Since that JOC & Friends party during WMC, I haven't seen shit booked. Thank the lord I'm up in the northeast where the promoters know what they are doing.

Yup sucks seriously! Esscala knows what they are doing for sure. HTG here in Orlando always books the same people over and they are even not that great.

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Originally posted by Pantone199c Remember when the promoters were telling us how awesome they were at getting talent in Miami? Since that JOC & Friends party during WMC, I haven't seen shit booked. Thank the lord I'm up in the northeast where the promoters know what they are doing.

Don't blame it on the promoters, blame it on the patrons. Promoters aren't booking trance acts because 1. there isn't enough support 2. when they do book someone everyone bitches and doesn't support (just STFU and go and it would of lead to bigger things) and 3. the bar numbers suck ass when venues book trance acts, it's not worth the investment at all.

Everyone is so quick to jump on the promoters and venues for this stuff but when in actuality we as patrons need to take a good hard look at ourselves when we go out. Sure things are expensive for a night but at the end of the day it's better than not having any of your favorite music around the city you live. Just my .02 cents

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Originally posted by Donnie Gryphon Don't blame it on the promoters, blame it on the patrons. Promoters aren't booking trance acts because 1. there isn't enough support 2. when they do book someone everyone bitches and doesn't support (just STFU and go and it would of lead to bigger things) and 3. the bar numbers suck ass when venues book trance acts, it's not worth the investment at all. Everyone is so quick to jump on the promoters and venues for this stuff but when in actuality we as patrons need to take a good hard look at ourselves when we go out. Sure things are expensive for a night but at the end of the day it's better than not having any of your favorite music around the city you live. Just my .02 cents

Well I'm not going to give my money to them if they only book craptrance like Gareth and shit like that, why should I just STFU and give my money to a dj who plays the same set in every city. I do speak with my money, when the party is deserving I have no problem spending money. In 3 weeks I'm spending money to travel from Cape Cod to NYC for barely a day to see Askew and then head right back to work the next day. The trance promoters have all but disappeared since WMC.

It's ok for me, because after ucforange opened my eyes to the other genres I don't give a fuck as much. I can wait an entire year for a quality dj to come to Miami if I have to, but I definitely won't be giving any promoters/venues my hard earned money just to support them bringing the same shit here for the yolo idiots.

I think there is definitely truth to what Donnie says about the bar numbers sucking ass when trance is booked. A lot of people that come out for trance don't normally go out to see other things and they aren't in the habit of spending money at clubs to see a DJ. It is true that the two populations are quite different...obviously there is some carry-over though and you'll get some people that are in to electronic music as a whole (like us).

The club's #1 duty is to make money first and foremost and they simply don't make enough just off ticket sales for trance. Places like Mansion, Story, Space have enormous bills and aren't making real money unless they have a club full of guests ordering liquor.

Still though, Esscala is making it work in NYC. I know Miami has a smaller scene but something tells me the promoters in Florida haven't been as assertive and innovative as they could be.

Hmm I guess your right about the bar sales but Gryphon was packed when insomniac booked above & beyond.

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Originally posted by Juan Paulino Hmm I guess your right about the bar sales but Gryphon was packed when insomniac booked above & beyond.

I'm sure it was, A&B are huge DJs. I'm talking about the smaller, headier names like Rank 1, John Askew, Super 8 & Tab, MIKE, Chicane, etc.

FL doesn't get any of those guys, not anymore at least. Looking back on it, the Andy Moor booking in Tampa in 2011 was huge (and the place wasn't very full at all and I remember how dead the bar was). We don't get that shit anymore.

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Originally posted by Juan Paulino Hmm I guess your right about the bar sales but Gryphon was packed when insomniac booked above & beyond.

To be honest the bottom floor was packed. We didn't sell enough tickets or patrons to open the top room. To put it in perspective we really weren't packed at all. We have capacity for 683 patrons and think we just tipped over the 500 mark for people through the door all night. So was it really that packed? I shouldn't be saying this buuuuut the bar numbers were some of the worst we ever had. There is a reason they weren't brought back. I think we barely broke even that night from what I remember. That was one of those parties that didn't make money but it was good for the venue because it was a good party and vibe and helped expose to the club to different clientele.

I'm one of the few in here with the unique opportunity of being on both sides of the coin (fan and venue) and giving you the perspective from the venue and promoters. That's what I've seen with my own eyes happen and that's what I've been told from other people who have booked Trance acts down here. More often than not trance bookings lose money.

In my personal opinion I don't think there really is any demand left for Trance since it has gone the way of fluffy pop music with big snyths. Just look what is happening in the NYC forum. How much talk of there is trance compared to all the chatter about techno/deep house? Hell even in here you guys are finally coming around to deep and techno scenes.

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Originally posted by ucforange I know the trance scene has been slow in recent years but fuck, it's damn near non-existent here in 2013. There's really jackshit being booked. Cosmic Gate at Mansion or Story or whatever...you have your obligatory Markus booking (but it's not a Space booking)...and some bullshit like Arty. I don't think I remember trance being this dead, ever. Absolutely nothing interesting at all in Florida for trance. Very sad. Esscala up in New York City is doing great things, you'd think at least Miami would get some of those guys down here as well. Not the case. Guess it also explains the lack of activity on this board.

I think it is better than ever in central Florida. Ferry, Markus, Shogun, Ashley Wallbridge, Armin van Buuren, Antillas, Gareth Emery and Tritonal all in 1 month in Tampa.

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Originally posted by LiL-B I think it is better than ever in central Florida. Ferry, Markus, Shogun, Ashley Wallbridge, Armin van Buuren, Antillas, Gareth Emery and Tritonal all in 1 month in Tampa.

I guess if those sorts of names are what get you excited, then sure. Go to the NYC board and look at the trance names they get. Night and day...

Yeah trance has been blah for awhile now.

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Originally posted by LiL-B I think it is better than ever in central Florida. Ferry, Markus, Shogun, Ashley Wallbridge, Armin van Buuren, Antillas, Gareth Emery and Tritonal all in 1 month in Tampa.

More than 50% of those guys don't play Trance. Ferry, Shogun, Tritonal, and Gareth (especially this twat) don't play Trance. Armin is sort of on that list too, he's just smart and realizing that the true Trance is making a come back so he's starting to transition back.

The term Trouse comes to mind, some bastardized electro house trance crap that makes me puke and diarrhea at the same time.

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Originally posted by ucforange I guess if those sorts of names are what get you excited, then sure. Go to the NYC board and look at the trance names they get. Night and day...

I don't recall saying any of those names get me excited. The topic of this thread is where is the trance. I've been clubbing around central Florida since 1994 and I don't recall ever seeing that many DJ's that play something even close to trance in 1 month. Regardless if some of the Djs who i mentioned changed their style recently, they are all still known for trance. I'm not going to lie, I'm jealous too of the trance acts being booked in NYC.

I'm just glad Ferry Tayle will be in Miami for July.. Its worth to make a 3 hour drive for that!! That Sunset lineup imo wasn't great except for Wallbridge. HTG promoters here in Orlando book all shit electro poppy garbage. Wish they would change up their tune and get some high bpm guys like Kearney,Askew,Indecent Noise,Aly & Fila, etc..

You are on the wrong continent.

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Originally posted by Donnie Gryphon In my personal opinion I don't think there really is any demand left for Trance since it has gone the way of fluffy pop music with big snyths

Not all trance has gone pop and fluffy. Lots of it is dark and techy with psy influences. I know its not your thing but skip through this weeks radio show by Suzy Solar with guest mix by Chris Porter to get an idea of what the non commercial trance that is currently being released sounds like:

http://www.mixcloud.com/DjSuzySolar/solar-power-sessions-607-suzy-solar-and-chris-porter/

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Originally posted by LiL-B Not all trance has gone pop and fluffy. Lots of it is dark and techy with psy influences. I know its not your thing but skip through this weeks radio show by Suzy Solar with guest mix by Chris Porter to get an idea of what the non commercial trance that is currently being released sounds like: http://www.mixcloud.com/DjSuzySolar...d-chris-porter/

Obviously not all of it has gone that way but for the majority of it, it has. I will listen next week sometime, can't have my head getting filled with different sounds the day before my Terrace debut

I can get away with some progressive trance at this bar I DJ at in St.Pete :-p

But I've been pretty disconnected with the EDM community these last few years so I'm not sure who's playing what but some of this electro trance has to go.

Psy influenced trance is something I always enjoy, we need more people to spin that.

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Originally posted by chillenandy321 Kearney,Askew,Indecent Noise,Aly & Fila, etc..

Yes we need more of that instead of the electro influenced trouse we get nowadays. The trance scene in all of florida is a hoax. Not enough of real talent coming in and showing how its really done. LiL B your in wrong decade

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Originally posted by Donnie Gryphon Obviously not all of it has gone that way but for the majority of it, it has. I will listen next week sometime, can't have my head getting filled with different sounds the day before my Terrace debut

Donnie, good luck and major congrats on your Terrace debut! It's interesting to hear your point of view, being that you are from the techno and house scene and work in the industry. Save the Suzy mix for the right time and place or pass it on to someone who will appreciate a non commercial trance mix.
I think the reason the bar sales are lower at trance shows is because the ticket prices have steadily increased over the years. Normal people only have so much disposable income every month. People will pay the high price to get into a club, but then they can't spend as much at the bar. The clubs also usually have the drink prices set to high.

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Originally posted by Juan Paulino Yes we need more of that instead of the electro influenced trouse we get nowadays. The trance scene in all of florida is a hoax. Not enough of real talent coming in and showing how its really done. LiL B your in wrong decade

Juan,
You've clearly missed the point. I never said the trance scene was anything but better than it has been here in central Florida and actually north Florida too, who just had Markus and Luccho last night. Meaning, there are more trance artists coming through this region then in previous years. The shows are also way more crowded. Are the guys coming through my favorite artists, no. How am I in the wrong decade? What are you talking about?

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Originally posted by LiL-B Donnie, good luck and major congrats on your Terrace debut! It's interesting to hear your point of view, being that you are from the techno and house scene and work in the industry. Save the Suzy mix for the right time and place or pass it on to someone who will appreciate a non commercial trance mix. I think the reason the bar sales are lower at trance shows is because the ticket prices have steadily increased over the years. Normal people only have so much disposable income every month. People will pay the high price to get into a club, but then they can't spend as much at the bar. The clubs also usually have the drink prices set to high.

I don't mean to ruffle any feathers but I honestly believe that the average trance fan whom goes out to shows at clubs are not necessarily the same as the average house/techno fan that goes out to shows at clubs. At techier events, I see much more people hanging out at the bar, ordering up rounds of shots, consuming mixed drinks, etc. As a long-time bartender, I tend to notice how the bar is running no matter where I'm at. And at trance events, the bar is ALWAYS dead. It's as if people are really only there for the trance music and nothing else, whereas a lot of people at techno/house shows seem to enjoy the ambiance and atmosphere of the club itself (which lends to more drinking). And frankly, tickets for non-trance events aren't any cheaper than the trance tickets.

But yeah, Suzy Solar is bad-ass. How the fuck do shitball DJs like Tritonal get big but Suzy Solar is still basically just an opener for electro garbage "trance" DJs?? She always outperforms the headliner, lol. She was even better than Andy Moor in Tampa in 2011 (though he was good too).

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Originally posted by Donnie Gryphon Don't blame it on the promoters, blame it on the patrons. Promoters aren't booking trance acts because 1. there isn't enough support 2. when they do book someone everyone bitches and doesn't support (just STFU and go and it would of lead to bigger things) and 3. the bar numbers suck ass when venues book trance acts, it's not worth the investment at all. Everyone is so quick to jump on the promoters and venues for this stuff but when in actuality we as patrons need to take a good hard look at ourselves when we go out. Sure things are expensive for a night but at the end of the day it's better than not having any of your favorite music around the city you live. Just my .02 cents

you sound like an absolute tool to the industry if you ask me. Lets just get raped with 14 dollar drinks and cheesy music, go along with that? im all set. Maybe the clubs needs to realize that its not all about MONEY and its more about people experiencing the music like it should be. NYC is a huge house market, it dominates, but ya know what Esscala is bringing in every trance dj you can possibly imagine. If it was done right in florida ill put money people would show up. I hear a lot of people i know personally asking for more trance down in florida .

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