FAO Lira: Is there a term for this in linguistics?

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Posted by Joss Weatherby on Jul-19-2013 00:44:

FAO Lira: Is there a term for this in linguistics?

When people repeat two words over and over and over again, it sounds different depending on the order in which you start, at least to me.

One, Two, One, Two, One, Two

vs.

Two, One, Two, One, Two, One

Is there a term to describe why one sounds different from the other, even though if you are saying them at the same cadence it should sound the same once you say either one long enough?

Posted by Lira on Jul-19-2013 03:02:

Hmm... not that I know of.

I believe I know what you mean. When someone says "One, two, one, two" is sounds as if they're saying repeatedly "Wuntoo, wuntoo"; when someone says "Two, one, two, one", it sounds like they're saying "Toowon, Toowon", right? This has probably something to do with how you group and interpret sounds (you can't fight it, you do it all the time to understand language... and the whole world, really) and how the phonological loop works.

Phenomenologists are more likely to study this than linguists, I believe.

Posted by Spacey Orange on Jul-19-2013 03:34:

i think the technical term is youhavetoomuchfuckentimeonyourhands.

Posted by Lira on Jul-19-2013 03:43:

quote:
Originally posted by Spacey Orange
i think the technical term is youhavetoomuchfuckentimeonyourhands.

BECAUSE TIME IS MONEY AND WE'RE BALLIN'!!!

Posted by Joss Weatherby on Jul-19-2013 03:45:

Lira, you should read the japanese in my jenny chop. I replaced that tacky ki (or whatever it is) kanji with something far better.

Posted by Lagrangian on Jul-19-2013 08:22:

Prove the opposite: if you can "group", you should be able to do the inverse, which is "ungroup."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unpacking

Posted by Lira on Jul-19-2013 08:36:

By the way, that's not "ki", Nou, that's got loads of different possible readings and "ki" is one, but not the most common. She meant to have it as "sei" (living), though it may also mean "nama" (raw). Damn kanji

quote:
Originally posted by Lagrangian
Prove the opposite: if you can "group", you should be able to do the inverse, which is "ungroup."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unpacking

I'm not sure I follow you here: Do you need proof for unpacking or that you can "ungroup" sounds? Because phonology and phonetics is pretty much people doing the latter, and even Wikipedia provides proof for the former

Posted by Lagrangian on Jul-19-2013 09:28:

Interesting Subject.

ME GUSTA!

Posted by Trance-M on Jul-19-2013 19:48:

quote:
Originally posted by Lira
Hmm... not that I know of.

I believe I know what you mean. When someone says "One, two, one, two" is sounds as if they're saying repeatedly "Wuntoo, wuntoo"; when someone says "Two, one, two, one", it sounds like they're saying "Toowon, Toowon", right?

Yep, it's not the same, sounds indeed like two different words.
Easy to check using a wav recorder and do a little cutting and pasting.

Posted by Floorfiller on Jul-19-2013 21:37:

isn't it obvious?

it's all gotta do with the downbeat