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what is the last time you did something just for helping others ?

for me it was that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Byl7JYiQFK0

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Originally posted by clay doing things for others to make yourself feel better is bad karma. nothing more egoistic than doing the shit U2 does.

Amen.

I actually do a fair amount of things for other people, because some people gave me breaks in this life and I wouldn't have what I have if it were not for those people and their acts of selflessness.

Pay it forward.

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Originally posted by clay doing things for others to make yourself feel better is bad karma. nothing more egoistic than doing the shit U2 does. there's only one worse act and that's forgiveness.

What the fuck?

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Originally posted by wotyzoid What the fuck?

Which bit?

Forgiveness is bad now? Jesus.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Which bit?

The entire Ayn Rand cockery.

Why can't we critique charity as being of selfish significance on the benefactor's behalf, and leave it at that? Suddenly we live in a world where everyone must only focus on themselves to make everything better for everyone? It's privileged logic that people with most every advantage from birth are idiotic enough to espouse.

Daily. I expect nothing in return.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Why can't we critique charity as being of selfish significance on the benefactor's behalf, and leave it at that? Suddenly we live in a world where everyone must only focus on themselves to make everything better for everyone? It's privileged logic that people with most every advantage from birth are idiotic enough to espouse.

I disagree. You being incapable of altruism doesn't mean everybody is, and there's plenty of people who have nothing who still dedicate their lives to helping others.

Ok, but you're not disagreeing with me. I was criticizing objectivism.

Ahh, missed the part of the selfish significance being on the benefactor and not the altruist.

I maintain my disagreement though

I won't lie I'm an asshole, I help people who I want to help when I want to help them. I don't do much random good out of the kindness of my heart. On the plus side, I spoil those I love.

I help people be less Asian every day.

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Originally posted by clay how the fuck is spoiling anyone positive for anything? if you really love them let them learn how to take care of them fucking selfs instead of getting used to stuff coming for free. asshole

Daddy never bought you a red tricycle when all your friends had one?

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Originally posted by clay doing things for others to make yourself feel better is bad karma. nothing more egoistic than doing the shit U2 does. there's only one worse act and that's forgiveness.

Karma, you're doing it wrong.

Go read this

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Originally posted by clay i dont see how its not? and charity as in sending money or helping with food is a "bear-favour"(dont know if thats an english term) meaning that they will never be able to survive on their own. the only good thing to do is spread knowledge and teaching making people more equal and independent. giving stuff like you do to your dog wont help anyone get on their feet, they will only be dependent on you and when u suddenly feel like you have given enough and stop, their lives are in a sudden ruin. should they forgive you for doing that? you basically ruined their life just because you wanted to do charity to feel better.

You think being homeless and hungry is just a simple question teaching them to live? You sound like someone that has never witnessed or experienced being given a shitty hand. You might have autism or just be a giant prick because your lack of empathy makes me cringe.

Is clay Theresa's alt?

pretty sure it is palm. He posts in the production forum and used to change his name every week but somehow i seem to just know it is palm. But palm is from some socialist country that ripped me off on ebay, can't remember but I am pretty sure he is Norwegian which makes his whole Ayan Rand babble a little weird.

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Originally posted by clay i dont see how its not? and charity as in sending money or helping with food is a "bear-favour"(dont know if thats an english term) meaning that they will never be able to survive on their own. the only good thing to do is spread knowledge and teaching making people more equal and independent. giving stuff like you do to your dog wont help anyone get on their feet, they will only be dependent on you and when u suddenly feel like you have given enough and stop, their lives are in a sudden ruin. should they forgive you for doing that? you basically ruined their life just because you wanted to do charity to feel better.

That's fucking stupid.

No, I think he actually has a good point, I just don't think he was articulating it before. But so far as I know, charities don't hand out debit cards to homeless people.

There's a really excellent foundation in NY called The Doe Fund:

http://www.doe.org/

They basically give people apartments and education, and set them up with jobs to pay for them. They get people back on their feet with the dignity to keep doing so, and their regression rate is tremendously low for this sort of thing.

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Originally posted by clay please explain.

Your rationale just stems from selfishness. It's easy to say "do it yourself" but that's why the world is the way it is. We're all human beings and I think we should have each others backs. Competitiveness can be healthy but it usually leads to a really ugly place.

I get that me sending money to North Korea to feed the peasants doesn't help their situation, regardless of any good feelings it brings me.

BUT

If I see someone at the shop or cafe who is like $0.10 short and I give them some small change, even if I'm doing it because I want to be a good person, I don't think that should "bring bad karma" upon myself. Maybe it is not a wholly unselfish act but I wouldn't say it is bad.

edit: and if it does, it usually comes in the form of them being awkward about it

People who genuinely feel better about themselves by giving to others consider it money well spent. And why shouldn't they? There is mounting evidence that people get an irreplaceable high from charity. As social animals, we are generally wired to seek such gratification, even if it is sometimes a hollow gesture and a hypocritical culture has cropped up in its vapour.

One time I was withdrawing cash from an ATM to go see my ATF ho, and there was an elderly homeless woman nearby. I gave her 20 bux out of my ho money, and gave the ho 20 less.

whenever I see nails or glass on the road, if I am in a position to pick it up, I will.

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