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Posted by Jah on Sep-25-2002 07:18:

bit of a pickle :D

hey hows it going ive been practicing and practicing for a few months now and i feel i have beatmatching down more or less i mean of course i need work esp on my eqing but now its a mattering of perfecting it rather than learning it i feel BUT here is my problem :
i dont know how you guys do it if it works for you fine its just i want to be able to beatmatchin in a variety of ways... ok heres the deal when i mix i have both channels playing in the headphones (and both cups over my ears) its alot easier to get the records in line as you can hear what the mix would sound like at in its peak and from that perspective its pretty easy to beatmatch... but something that totally throws me and has from the start is doin it like single ear monitoring i just dont understand if you have the beats coming in from 2 totally seperate outputs (like cued record in the left ear and outgoing track in the right) how you can tell if the beats are off, because you cant hear the obvious galloping as you can if you had both channels cued... its just like 2 differant songs in 2 ears, but anyway i really wanna learn so anyone got any tips?

Posted by DJErnieP on Sep-25-2002 07:24:

what mixer are you using? the djm-500 doesnt let you do that. My friends newmark i remember was able to do something like that. I dont think its something you really need to learn though. Most professional mixers wont let you do that anyways.

Posted by trance_freak on Sep-25-2002 07:27:

i had the same problem, but ive gotten used to doing it with monitor speakers, just a matter of training your ears!

Posted by DJ Dowlz on Sep-25-2002 07:35:

jah I'm totally with you there! What I can't understand is why do all the Pros only listen in one ear. I mean, the quality and accuracy that you get when you have both earphones listening to the mix is 100x greater than listening to one ear and an outside monitor!!! The only benefit I can see is that you can actually hear how the mix is sounding on the main system.

Somebody please please please explain why all the Pros only use one ear!!! I'm lost. Is it just cause it looks cool?

Posted by migitymike on Sep-25-2002 07:36:

ok the best thing to help u out of that bad bad habit..if i read it right
is take your headphone..on one ear..a slightly move it forward..kinda making it have the sound come in a bit..and have the sound from the head phones
this helps me when i have a shitt monitor..and i have combine both..but it will help u if u have the problem..i think u do..its late

Posted by YuVaL on Sep-25-2002 09:12:

for me, when i have the cup on 1 ear its easier to tell which track is drifting appart then quickly fix it..

Posted by Jah on Sep-25-2002 10:03:

quote:
jah I'm totally with you there! What I can't understand is why do all the Pros only listen in one ear. I mean, the quality and accuracy that you get when you have both earphones listening to the mix is 100x greater than listening to one ear and an outside monitor!!! The only benefit I can see is that you can actually hear how the mix is sounding on the main system.

yeah! so whats the advantage of it? is it that most mixers dont have that feature? cause i know you cant do it on rane ones too...

also in terms of your tracks being in SYNC more than beatmatched its so hard using this technique (single ear monitoring) cause like yeah its 2 differant sources? anyone know what i mean? you also gotta test your mix subtly, why i dont get it when you can use the double channel method? really curious to find out the main advantage? is it simply some mixers dont do 2 channels cued? thx for the replies guys

Posted by migitymike on Sep-25-2002 13:20:

ok..u didnt take my suggestion..so i give u

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

do like the rest of us..practice it

Posted by mikefasssy on Sep-26-2002 03:15:

I just find it easier to use one ear, so I can listen to the monitors at the same time. I guess you can do that in the headphones too, but I just like the feeling of hearing it 100% live from the speakers. I think its just personal preference.

Posted by Jah on Sep-26-2002 03:58:

mikemikemike
i did take your suggestion dude im trying to 'perfect' it as we speak il let you know how it goes
thankyou

Posted by Gourhellyea on Sep-26-2002 19:42:

quote:
Originally posted by YuVaL
for me, when i have the cup on 1 ear its easier to tell which track is drifting appart then quickly fix it..

i totally agree...

i just use both ears to make sure that they are exact.

Posted by SpykeChyld on Sep-27-2002 00:09:

I use one ear. I like hearing it from the monitors more than from the headphones, and I know that is a bad habit to get into. I mean, if you play a show and they give you a shit mixer then you may have a bad set if you are not used to only cueing one ear. That and I like to be able to hear the people, since I usually only mix at small parties at my house, cus I can't take my nice "Compaq Presario" model mixer with me, lol. I like to hear what people are saying to me while I'm dealing with the music.

Posted by Dj Flesch on Sep-27-2002 23:53:

I think most people on this thread are talking about two different things. On my djm-600 there is a switch to allow you to change back and forth between listening to your live track in one ear and your cue track in the other, vs listening to both tracks in both ears and using the analog dial to switch between percentages of live and cue. I personally cannot beatmatch when I have one track playing in one cup and the other playing in the other. I can however, and do, transition with only one cup over my ear. The cup has about 75% of the cue track and about 25% of the live track so that I can tell if they are getting out of beat in my headphone. I listen with the other ear though, to the monitors, because that is what is actually playing live and that is how I know if I'm screwing up or not--because the only way to hear what the crowd is hearing is to take your headphones off!

Most mixers allow you to listen to both tracks in both ears at the same time. As far as I know, only a few mixers allow you to listen to one track in each ear through your headphones. When professional djs are only using one cup, chances are they are still monitoring the beatmatching and listening to BOTH tracks in the one cup that they have on, and are listening to the monitors to hear what the crowd is hearing.

Posted by migitymike on Sep-28-2002 00:18:

actually most djs dont have both tracks in one cup
they use one cup..with one track..and the monitors like it is suppost to be
some may do this though
beat match like normal. and if they arent sure..then mix to cue to the master..and preview if it is on
personally the only time i do this is if im going from trance to breaks

Posted by Dj Flesch on Sep-28-2002 01:04:

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that you were most djs Anyway, it is the easiest to beatmatch while listening to both tracks in one cup, so I assumed that the pro djs have already figured this one out. Maybe I'll set a pole on it to find out what "most" djs do

Posted by migitymike on Sep-28-2002 01:15:

sorry..didnt mean to speak for most djs..
but if your talking about international and national talent.
i work at a club a club..and dj there..but on my off nights i run the ligts..so i am able to see what ever dj does..and i have yet to see one dj do that yet
mike

Posted by TBA on Sep-28-2002 05:35:

I agree with MigityMike. I've used to use both headphones on at the same time method. But I know a couple of guys that once they don't have that option on a mixer they're screwed. For instance my friend has a Vestax PMC170A, and on this you can't adjust the volume of the cue track in relation to the one that's playing.

It takes a while to get used to, but once you train your ear, you can beatmatch just as well.

I personally preffer this method as you can always use use it no matter what mixer you have. Which is good for those of us that started with crappy mixers.