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Posted by Vida1003 on Sep-02-2013 08:28:

Thoughts on switching DAW's

Hey guys. I've been producing for about 6 months now using FL studio 11 and it's taken me about that long to be confident with my skill in it. My main computer crashed and is done for good so I am saving up to buy a Macbook Pro 15.4 inch. I have been told that Mac computers are much more resilient when it comes to virus's and software malfunctions which is the reason for the switch. I am also aware that Logic Pro is exclusively available for Mac OS, therefore I'm considering making the switch to logic from FL. I read in articles that Armin Van Buuren and some other big names use Logic but I've also read about big names such as Maor Levi and a few other artists I listen to using FL. I'm looking at two things here, 1. Which one can I do more with? and 2. Will it take me another 6 months to reach that same skill level with Logic are they similar enough for my experience and knowledge to carry over? Any thoughts and feedback are much appreciated and I thank you in advance.

Posted by cryophonik on Sep-02-2013 09:06:

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Originally posted by Vida1003
I read in articles that Armin Van Buuren and some other big names use Logic but I've also read about big names such as Maor Levi and a few other artists I listen to using FL.

No offense, but that's a stupid thing to base your DAW decision on. All DAWs have their strengths/weaknesses, so base it on YOUR needs.

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Originally posted by Vida1003
I'm looking at two things here, 1. Which one can I do more with?

The seemingly obvious answer is Logic, since it's probably a deeper DAW overall, but that's not a given. FLS does some things that Logic doesn't (e.g., step sequencer) and vice-versa. Very few people, especially EDM producers need every function that a DAW offers, so your best approach is to compare features and find the one that works for you. Unfortunately, there's no Logic demo, so you basically have to make your decision on paper.

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Originally posted by Vida1003
2. Will it take me another 6 months to reach that same skill level with Logic are they similar enough for my experience and knowledge to carry over?

The time to get over the learning curve will depend on a lot of things (including the fact that you're moving to a Mac/new OS), but yeah, you should probably expect it to be at least a few months before you feel as comfortable in Logic as you do in FLS. Being familiar with a DAW already, you should be at least functional pretty quickly, though. You can really accelerate the process by spending $25 or so on some good online tutorials (e.g., from Groove3, MacProVideo) and devoting a day or so to going through them. BTW, that's also a good way to preview Logic in lieu of a demo.

Posted by Deillon on Sep-02-2013 09:11:

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Originally posted by cryophonik
The seemingly obvious answer is Logic, since it's probably a deeper DAW overall, but that's not a given.

So, what is this based on?
I always thought mostly workflow was different.

Posted by tehlord on Sep-02-2013 09:21:

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Originally posted by Deillon
So, what is this based on?
I always thought mostly workflow was different.

Logic has stuff like the environment (similar to Cubase logical editor) which is massively powerful.

Saying that, I bet 80% of users never even look at it.

All DAW's are more than capable of doing whatever you need, especially as a novice.

It really is down to differences in workflow.

Posted by cryophonik on Sep-02-2013 09:31:

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Originally posted by Deillon
So, what is this based on?
I always thought mostly workflow was different.

Workflow is different, yes. But, Logic also has far more features, including entire views like the Environment and Score editor, better hardware/control surface support, etc. But, don't take my word for it, go read the 900-pg Logic Pro X manual, then the 500-pg Logic Pro X Instruments manual, then the 300-pg Effects manual, then the.....you get the point.

As Geoff mentioned, all those features don't make it a "better" DAW if you don't need them. It's also not a "better" DAW if you prefer FLS' workflow.

Posted by MSZ on Sep-02-2013 10:12:

Dubturbo DAW man im serious. Armin van buuren and Cryophonik just get paid by logic to sell their shit(4 real scammers).

Anything else is just a waste of time, check out this review. Just buy it.

Posted by echosystm on Sep-02-2013 11:23:

Evolution of the electronic music producer:

0-2 years: Raging asshole fanboy of one DAW, which happens to be the only DAW they have ever used.

2-5 years: DAW bouncer, changing every 12-24 months.

5+ years: Every DAW is a piece of shit and I'm just going to stick with the one that makes me hate the universe the least.

Posted by Zak McKracken on Sep-02-2013 17:39:

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Originally posted by echosystm
Evolution of the electronic music producer:

0-2 years: Raging asshole fanboy of one DAW, which happens to be the only DAW they have ever used.

2-5 years: DAW bouncer, changing every 12-24 months.

5+ years: Every DAW is a piece of shit and I'm just going to stick with the one that makes me hate the universe the least.

beautifully written as its spot on.

Posted by cryophonik on Sep-02-2013 18:07:

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Originally posted by echosystm
5+ years: Every DAW is a piece of shit and I'm just going to stick with the one that makes me hate the universe the least.

With one exception, the guys who switch to Reaper and spend the rest of their lives trying to convince the world that it's the best DAW ever made.

Posted by tehlord on Sep-02-2013 19:04:

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Originally posted by cryophonik
With one exception, the guys who switch to Reaper and spend the rest of their lives trying to convince the world that it's the best DAW ever made.

I know!

When everybody knows it's actually Logicbase.

Posted by TranceElevation on Sep-02-2013 20:05:

Posted by LoveHate on Sep-03-2013 01:46:

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Originally posted by MSZ
Dubturbo DAW man im serious. Armin van buuren and Cryophonik just get paid by logic to sell their shit(4 real scammers).

Anything else is just a waste of time, check out this review. Just buy it.
cyro gets paid by cakewalk.

Posted by edf on Sep-03-2013 03:53:

So, I'll second (and third) those who say picking a DAW because person x uses it probably isn't the best way to go about things. You really need to figure out what works best for your style.

I had been a protools person for years - almost 10 - but as time went on I became more and more frustrated with it after a few updates. It seemed to have more technical issues were I wasn't producing rather just dicking around trying to get the software to work... So, I switched to Reaper.

LOVE it. It's inexpensive and very flexible, and I find it very intuitive. Download a demo and play around with it.

Posted by Juan Paulino on Sep-03-2013 06:31:

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Originally posted by TranceElevation
This is Juan Paolino style.

Go suck a dick ******.

Posted by Teezdalien on Sep-03-2013 08:43:

It's not important what DAW you use. They're all capable of making good music in the right hands.

Posted by paulazizeh on Sep-03-2013 14:11:

I'm sure there's a lot of producers that use Fruity Loops, Logic, Cubase, Abelton, Reaper, Reason etc. Every Daw program is great for producing music. The reason I picked Logic is because I had a mac and I bought a mac because I used to work for Apple. My suggestion is if you're using Fruity Loops now and you're comfortable with it, I'd say stick with that and learn the in's and out's of that program. I heard that you can slave a DAW with another DAW to work with eachother. If you go this route, I'm sure it'll give you a lot more capabilities. It all comes down to what you're comfortable with. I would also do a little research on this as well because I really don't know anything else but Logic, figure out what features have like user friendly, support, stuff like that and then make your decision based on that.

Good luck and hope this helps

Paul

Posted by Juan Paulino on Sep-05-2013 12:08:

I could switch daws because i'm good at learning new stuff, still use logic tho. Pro tools is still good and great for mixing but when it comes down to straight up creation i go with logic.

Posted by DJ RANN on Sep-05-2013 17:08: