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Thread about "bashing threads"

FACT 1: We all like different genres, producers, and tracks.
FACT 2: FACT 1 is legal by all means as well as socially acceptable.
FACT 3: Often times we see threads displaying a persons like/dislike of an artist, choon, or genre.
FACT 4: There are always a handful of people on either side of each "argument" that shoot comments back and forth about how closed minded and stupid each other are for liking/disliking the item of dispute.
FACT 5: This forum (Music Discussion) is meant for people to discuss music and the people who make it.

Why is it that people, quite often, do not respect the opinions of others? Is it so hard to accept that someone may not like exactly the same stuff as you or maybe you feel insecure when the things you are fond of are bashed.

I'm just tired of seeing threads that could be good discussion degenerarte to rediculous flame wars. Yes, when someone says "i hate progressive because its boring" I (marc) may want to say "fuck off prog is great its so chill and bla bla bla....." but whats the point of that? It's useless to try and force someone into liking something they don't particularly like.

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Just thought i'd start a thread on this because i've noticed that tons of threads just degenerate as described....

Comments?

Cheers!
-Marc

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This thread is so lame, it's cheesy bullshit? Why post this here?

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Just kidding. I entirely agree with you - too many discussions that could have intelligent points just end up becoming flame wars.

Totally agree. Don't say "Tiesto sucks", say "I don't like Tiesto", and maybe give a short explanation; "because his songs all have the same buildup, and it makes you think that it's a remix of another song". It makes everything better, and noone will reply with "fuck you, Tiesto rox".

Also, instead of, as in most cases, say "it sux", give a short damn explanation, like "I think it sux, because the melody is boring, and it's the same melody over and over again, nothing changes".

This would make the world, well at least the TA forums, a better place

And about the Tiesto thing, it was just an example. I have nothing against Tiesto.

Re: Thread about "bashing threads"

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Originally posted by SmellsExcellent FACT 5: This forum (Music Discussion) is meant for people to discuss music and the people who make it.

then why post this here?

too many members on TA, things wont change unless there are more mods. IMHO

*bashes this thread*

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Originally posted by Nicke Totally agree. Don't say "Tiesto sucks", say "I don't like Tiesto", and maybe give a short explanation; "because his songs all have the same buildup, and it makes you think that it's a remix of another song". It makes everything better, and noone will reply with "fuck you, Tiesto rox". Also, instead of, as in most cases, say "it sux", give a short damn explanation, like "I think it sux, because the melody is boring, and it's the same melody over and over again, nothing changes". This would make the world, well at least the TA forums, a better place And about the Tiesto thing, it was just an example. I have nothing against Tiesto.

.....for ages i ahve done this and got nothing but "you are flaming tiesto" as i have jsut said in chat everytime ive seen tiesot eh ahs been poor, the other weeknd he was good and i said so. some peopel are always quick to jump to comclusions, and always ignroe it when i state reasons for my opnion, so im afraid u will probably talking to a brick wall here, i know i have many a time

this is something from human nature, the flame wars in internet forums. the harder you try, you'll never solve the problem. we humans are all too agressive. and nothing costs as much as admiting the other person's right and you're wrong so many people try to defend their point of view till the last consequences.



(note: i don't know shit about psychology)

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Originally posted by DuMonde TrAnCeR .....for ages i ahve done this and got nothing but "you are flaming tiesto" as i have jsut said in chat everytime ive seen tiesot eh ahs been poor, the other weeknd he was good and i said so. some peopel are always quick to jump to comclusions, and always ignroe it when i state reasons for my opnion, so im afraid u will probably talking to a brick wall here, i know i have many a time

aaawwww, poor you..

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Originally posted by Nicke aaawwww, poor you..

soemtimes i cry at night because of the bad people...





























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Totally agree. No need to flame anyone for stating their opinion.

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Originally posted by DuMonde TrAnCeR soemtimes i cry at night because of the bad people...

*DJ_Mikey_Mike hands Ste a tissue.

Everything will be alrite buddy

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Originally posted by DuMonde TrAnCeR soemtimes i cry at night because of the bad people...

poor you.. come here, let me comfort you

i agree with u...i try never to start stuff...but it does happen...because there are people who'll jus go into a thread and post stupid comments out of the blue...fine...i kno everyones got opinions...but to just post...your artist sux...and cuz u like him u suck too is pointless...


but whatever...i get used to just skippin those posts...hahaha...

The problem, as I see it, is twofold.

First of all, you have the people who, when they encounter someone who has different taste in music, feel obligated to say that not only does their taste suck, but they must suck as well, or they wouldn't have such sucky taste.

These people, and they are depressingly common, are quite frankly nothing more than simpletons. They cannot comprehend the concept of 'taste' and instead degenerate the concept of musical preferences to a black and white, "it's either good or bad" notion. I, for one, wish they would all go jump off a cliff, but they aren't going to. What I think needs to happen is for the forum moderators to treat implicit personal attacks the same way they would treat explicit ones.

For example, suppose someone posts "I like X", and a few posts later, someone (who is not necessarily replying directly to them) posts "Hahaha that's cheese, only n00bs like X."

They may not have directly been calling the first person a newbie, but the effect is just as destructive. I believe that this is a source of a lot of the flaming that goes on around here.

The flipside of this is a disappointing level of severe oversensitivity. Some people, when something they like is described as being of poor quality by someone else, and they feel that that person has done an insufficient job of explaining their position, react as if the fact that another person has different taste is a personal attack upon themselves.

It is not reasonable to ask people to bite their tongues about things they don't like just to preserve the fragile musical egos of forum members who, for whatever reason, do not have the self-confidence to deal with people who simply do not agree with them. As long as these people can refrain from responding in an inflammatory way, this is not a problem. But many of them struggle to still their hands and accept that someone has a different point of view.

I have nothing against these people, because they cannot control the way they feel. But I would ask them to make an effort to be a little more cool-headed.

No matter how hard we try, we will never totally eliminate the problem of flaming on the forums. But by fostering respect for others' opinions, we can make them a much more enjoyable place for everyone.

Cheers,

Arbiter

EDIT: By the way, I'm going to start making use of the ignore list function of the forums to deal with people who are consistently inflammatory. I recommend other people do so as well. It would be great if, instead of flaming someone back, you just ignored them. If enough people would do this, flame wars would much less frequently get out of hand.

I completely agree with U SmellsExcellent
But I can stand it when people flame or Oakey, or Tiesto, or Progressive. I hate it when they talk shit about music they know nothing of...
And I spit on those who always keep flaming every thread they come in.
Ok I admit I flamed sometimes but when I do this it's because I'm so sick of all this stupid comment everywhere, see some time to strike back
So on this one for all the mofo's who ever flamed one of the above three, PVD is the worst fucking dj on the planet, his sets take u nowhere, his spinning style is cheese and his trackselecting is worser then Dj Jean's one...


Remember guys it's my opinion so respect it

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Originally posted by uwmadtrance [joke] This thread is so lame, it's cheesy bullshit? Why post this here? [/joke] Just kidding. I entirely agree with you - too many discussions that could have intelligent points just end up becoming flame wars.

the way i look @ it

i believe this thread will be the only flameless thread ever....if no one starts though!

well i totally agree with you people! 100%

Arbiter.. if i read correctly, and maybe i didnt cuz im kinde rushed, but im not saying hold your tongue but explain yourself and your opinions... supportless claims/accusations are worthless and ultimately what start the flaming....

And, yeah, I know it won't be eliminated, it can't be because we all get pissed about someone else's opinion sometimes (KKK, HITLER, ETC) so in reality this whole think is kinda unrealistic but we can some something to keep all the useless arguments to a minimum.......

-Marc

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Originally posted by Technaut too many members on TA, things wont change unless there are more mods. IMHO

Mods aren't really the answer though, the community needs to be able to deal with issues internally, without constantly being having someone make sure that people are being polite and so forth.

Some people *are* out for blood, and some other people *are* too sensitive for that matter. What're the mods supposed to do? Block everyone? Close everything? They do what they can, but it's up to the normal users to moderate themselves, and *think* before making a post that could trigger a flame war.

As has been said, the Ignore button is a wonderful feature, and an easy way to make the site entirely more enjoyable.

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Originally posted by SmellsExcellent Arbiter.. if i read correctly, and maybe i didnt cuz im kinde rushed, but im not saying hold your tongue but explain yourself and your opinions... supportless claims/accusations are worthless and ultimately what start the flaming.... -Marc

I agree that it would be preferable if people would give reasons why they don't like something, rather than simply stating that they don't like it. Sometimes, it's kind of hard to describe what about a tune you don't like, though - at least it would be difficult to provide an explaination that would satisfy someone who really liked it.

I agree with you on basically all of your points, though, to be honest. The only difference as I see it is that I don't expect people to always be able to verbalize their reasons for disliking something, although I'll grant you that many times people have reasons and their failure to add them to the conversation tends to result in flaming.

Flaming eh

Topic..i'm an expert on....rofl

Actually i'm trying not to flame ppl as often. See the difference is that i will tell you why i hate a dj for some reason but with tiesto and pvd....i'm still big fans. I'll tell you why i don't like that set or that mix but i still like tiesto (fell off for a while ago) and pvd (has'nt been playing the best sets lately). I've seen them both live and they both rock. I'm trying.....mods are also trying.

i think paul van dyk blows big time, and im not joking.

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Originally posted by Arbiter I agree that it would be preferable if people would give reasons why they don't like something, rather than simply stating that they don't like it. Sometimes, it's kind of hard to describe what about a tune you don't like, though - at least it would be difficult to provide an explaination that would satisfy someone who really liked it. I agree with you on basically all of your points, though, to be honest. The only difference as I see it is that I don't expect people to always be able to verbalize their reasons for disliking something, although I'll grant you that many times people have reasons and their failure to add them to the conversation tends to result in flaming.

and again, heres where my whole position gets sticky... when someone doesn't like a song "just because" its obviously just personal preference and that can't be changed and sometimes can't be explained. But, goign back to my original post, peeps just gotta accept that we're all different.

-Marc

Oh, and Davinox, Cool if you dont like him but this isn't really the thread to express that opinion of yours.....

-Marc

I started "Johan is a dick." But what I really meant was the fact that he didnt release Lexicon 4-Reach Me. Do not get me wrong, I love Johan. I was kidding about the dick part, and some idiots thought, "Oh he's thinks Johan is gay." or "He doesn't like Johan." How can anyone understand the post unless he or she read the whole thing. People are like that, quick and simple minded. In a way that is good thing, but alot of times it is not a good thing.

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