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Now this makes me sick.......

http://www.djscene.com/content/article.asp?id=195


not sure how valid this article his, but either way this is what makes me sick.....I don't listen to any of this crap this guy shits out, but still its pretty sad, yet interesting at the same time.....

Bottom paragraph summarizes the entire american music industry........


What makes these corrupted powdered nosed celebrities think they can stop over 1 billion people, I don't know. Its not gonna happen. I guarantee you, the 1+ billion of us could give a rats ass, if you're not making a dime......As if these corrupted money consumed assholes are going broke......

Musical celebrities don't realize, comments like these are hurting them, more than helping them. What they are basically telling their fans is, "I'd rather you pay for my music, than hear it for free". What does that tell you.

If I EVER heard a DJ say the same comment as eminem did in that last sentence of the last paragraph, I would never, ever consider listening to that DJ again. Cuz thats not what this music in general is about....Unfortunately, in the american mainstream music industry, its what its ALL about, money.

Its one thing to ask for money to support a striving artists/or to support costs, but its very clear, these artists have money flowing out of their ass, and seeing them want more money, makes me sick.

Greed is a terrible thing. It can and will break down the weak minded. It explains why over 50% of celebrities die of drug abuse, among other things. Because they just can't get enough. Next time you think a celebrity is living "the life", realize, they're not. Simple comments like eminems, show their extreme greed and dissatisfaction with what they have. Also shows you, they'll never be satisfied and they're obviously not happy enough. You're satisfied and happy, when you ask for NO more......

I'm done with the novel. Comments always welcome.



Remember, if you can hear the music, you can record the music.

Praise my brother
Music should be expression of what you are, not how much money you want. American music entertainment is a fucking joke. With the exception of a few(notably electronic acts), I say, 'Once you go Pop, you can't stop".
Eminem is a perfect example of this. What was a very talented(still is) and fitting icon of the hip hop underground(diverse and talented, yet knows to keep it real...till now), turned into a POP star...NOT a rap star, but a pop star. He was lucky enough to have one of the best producers EVER in the music industry to spot him at a Freestyle Olympic event, and now look at him....people might think he has elevated himself to anoher level, yet in reality he has degenerated into a capitalism-money leeching celebrity who is grossly overpaid like every other celebrity. In my eyes, I think he's more pop than some of the other pop artists out there. Eminem started out right, and is going down wrong.
These people claiming to work hard for their money are lying hippocrits and nothing more. Sure, it takes once a few years to have a person talented enough to come out and be signed to a record label, but what happens after that? You have another Eminem, another American Idol...JUST what the country needs right now in these times of falsification(U.S gov't anybody?) and recessive economy(another overblown media projection), is another money making commercialized record act who writes....no, SINGS nursery rhymes written for her or him.

say no to them

wel, these high profile acts earn too much money, what they earn is not in proportion to what they do. these people can make millions from just one song! they are still dissatisfied with this? and now they want more?? they want to stop mp3 d/l? thats ridiculous

"I work hard and anybody can just throw a computer up and download my music for free. It could kill the whole purpose of making music."

this line right here epitomizes the mentality of artists like this. What he's saying is the WHOLE purpose of making music is $$$$$.

what happened to the whole element of artistic expression and making people happy?



and djohn yea i agree eminem started off OK, but rite now his music is produced for and aimed directly at the mainstream

yes...awesome...i agree with you guys....but, hey, i would like to get some money too for doing nothing....but thats probably because i am lazy.........

The reason Eminem is doing it for lots of $$$ is because his music sucks witch ****.

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anybody can just throw a computer up and download my music for free. It could kill the whole purpose of making music.

i cant believe he said that. if thats his "whole purpose of making music" what a fucking sellout. music is not made for money what about the fucking millions of up and coming producers spending fucking insane amounts of money and time with not so much as a single release... the amount of effort and time put in... the reason is cause they love the music... not the fat paycheck in fact most of them have to budget such an expensive hobby with all other aspects of life too without fuckheads like eminem who gets paid an insane amounts for shit i bet he doesnt even PRODUCE himself. thats not what music is about. the cash is nice but fuck it shouldnt be the purpose!

Check this out

A thread which I posted in the chillout room...hehe, deals with this whole anti-piracy thing.

Boy, that's sad. And I don't mean eminem, but all of you.

I totally agree with eminem. The point is, once you decide to make music for living, you depend on selling records. Even worse, today there are no more superstars as there were in the past. Stars that sold millions of records over decades. Today you can expect to be a star for like 5 years or so, then you'd have to totally reinvent your style to stay on top of the sales charts. If you fall, you have nothing, most popstars today don't even have proper education as they sacrrifice school for career.

Once you are a celebrity there is no way back. Imagine Britney Spears working in a fast food restaurant after her career ended...

IMHO it's a totally different situation with electronic club music. This stuff is mostly just a tool to get people dancing so only sells to DJs. (and addicts ) Many of the producers are DJs an earn their living form that or from having their own label and selling a lot more records by that, than only one artist can do.

Now I don't want to defend popstars... I hate their way of living and the fact that, the more popularity they gain the more money they get, but please remember there is always another side.

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Originally posted by halo Boy, that's sad. And I don't mean eminem, but all of you. I totally agree with eminem. The point is, once you decide to make music for living, you depend on selling records. Even worse, today there are no more superstars as there were in the past. Stars that sold millions of records over decades. Today you can expect to be a star for like 5 years or so, then you'd have to totally reinvent your style to stay on top of the sales charts. If you fall, you have nothing, most popstars today don't even have proper education as they sacrrifice school for career.

I'm sorry but that's your own choice. BTW as Eminem said,"btw it could kill the whole purpose of making music", the purpose of stealing and robbing seem like the same as your purpose of making music. And that's your own selfish purpose. Explosive was made to lead a easier and better life of human. Then the same selfish purpose cursed the fact.

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Once you are a celebrity there is no way back. Imagine Britney Spears working in a fast food restaurant after her career ended...

I'm sorry if you mean that a celebrity is some kind of career that surpasss a worker in a fast food restaurant.

Whatever. I'm disappointed enough when I read sth like this. What a wonderful world we're living in.
And I apologize if it sounds too harsh. Cya bye

Then again, if you were Eminem or even Armin Van Buuren, i'd guess YOU would give a rats ass if your music is being downloaded..


Making music is about passion, not the money..

I mean in the near future if i can make quality music like Armin, in the middle of the creation i wouldn't be sitting down and writing my wishlist or something...

Ill invest time and passion like many NORMAL Djs and artist who do it for everyone and them selves..


I don't think Eminem is self centered but he is FUCKING SELFISH..

I hate the prick.

well, I think he's an asshole too.. and saying that "the whole purpose of making music" is getting money for it.. jesus. but artist should be payed for their music.. you know mp3 downloading opf copyrighted tracks are ilegal.. unless you give the permission to. (in the underground scene artists are more likely to support the mp3 scene as they get more known thanks to it - mainstream artists only need mtv to become known) so he's got a point for wanting the cash, though he doesn't deserve it and he's a sellout wanker.

Eminem sucks sooooo bad. I wish all the teenie bopper lamers wouldn't buy his sorry albums...honestly he raps about the same ol' stuff every single album. Anyone can come on an album and cry about things or offend people for attention to sell their work. SO LAME!!! I bet he can't produce for shiz! If he doesn't make music for the love and enjoyment of it he shouldn't be in the industry. Peace.

and to think i just downloaded that losers cd a couple days ago. serves the bastard right. hes not getting any of my money. him thinking the purpose of music is to make money... SELLOUT! how can he bitch about not making money he probably doesnt know what to do with the amount of money he has. he deserves to be shot in the foot for being that moronic. he just really needs to shut the f*ck up. ahh i could go on forever about how stupid this is but its pointless
/end rant

P.S. i dont realy enjoy denying decent artists of thier money when it comes to CDs but with him its different..I LOVE IT

halo is 100% right, I think a lot of you are just trying to justify not paying for music - which is just plain WRONG.

The fact that mark-ups on recorded music are huge is irrelevant. The creator of that music is entitled to be compensated for their work: just like anyone else. I... am trying to see how someone could have the other perspective, but honestly can't see how it's fair to the artists to not be paid for their work.

I wish there were some way to pay artists directly for their music rather than going through record labels, but the fact is there isn't.

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Originally posted by DJ Digityl Eminem sucks sooooo bad. I wish all the teenie bopper lamers wouldn't buy his sorry albums...honestly he raps about the same ol' stuff every single album. Anyone can come on an album and cry about things or offend people for attention to sell their work. SO LAME!!! I bet he can't produce for shiz! If he doesn't make music for the love and enjoyment of it he shouldn't be in the industry. Peace.

If he sucks so bad, why'd you download his CD? The fact that Eminem made something that people want to listen to entitles him to be compensated! Arrrg i can't understand this, someone please defend the other point of view intelligently before i have a hernia

Im gonna yhave a go at defending the other side I think the point thats trying to be made is not that were trying to defend the fact we don't pay for our music. I think it's the fact that were annoyed with eminem, simply for making his music for one purpose. He makes his music to make money, you can't tell me he that he has some deep meaningful underlying message going on in his songs, because he doesnt. its all the same regenerated shit, created for one purpose. I think completely differently to that, if one godforsaken day I made music that I had put my heart and soul into, sure I want some money, but I reckon the greatest thing I could receive was other peoples admiration of the music. The fact that i could make someone feel happy or enjopy themselves would more than compensate for some people downloading 1 of 15 million that i was about to recieve for a record. But I think's thats an advantage of the scene were involved in, for the majority of artists involved it's about clubs and music and atmosphere not simply making $$$ as quick as possible.

Cheers

Chris

- reality check -

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i would like to get some money too for doing nothing

that's ridiculous. you think these people do nothing? question their motivation all you want, but don't tell me they don't do anything (studio time, tours, public appearances).

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what about the fucking millions of up and coming producers spending fucking insane amounts of money and time with not so much as a single release... the amount of effort and time put in... the reason is cause they love the music... not the fat paycheck

if you think that they wouldn't like to be paid for what they do, you're kidding yourself.

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in the underground scene artists are more likely to support the mp3 scene as they get more known thanks to it

The mp3 scene is a double-edged sword for "underground" or independant artists. on the one hand, it's true, it is possible to gain a great fan base from your mp3s if you can get them out there properly. on the other hand, if nobody's going to buy your music, how are you to be expected to make a living? In fact, forget making a living - how can you be expected to buy new gear when you need it etc... I've got first-hand experience with this from this very site. I released a track on a UK label back in the spring. I posted a link here (under an old name) to an on-line record store where you could buy it (a little shameless self-promotion never hurts), and the first reply I got back was "just grabbed em off AG. ". Needless to say I never saw a cent from that release (which is fine - but it would have at least been nice to be able to cover the cost of sending the master CD overseas to the label).

Do you think it's just coincidence that smaller distribution companies are having trouble in the last year or so? Sure, the huge labels aren't in any serious danger because they've got such a huge market, but labels and distributors who aim at more of a niche market are not having an easy time... and unfortunately they're usually the only ones who innovate.

Fuck pop.

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Originally posted by DJ Sunburn Fuck pop.

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...&threadid=67794

lol, your pretty consistent aren't you?

Yeah, artists deserve to be compensated for their music. I have tons and tons of music (vastly electronic) on my computer that wasn't paid for. However, I do buy lots of cd's, I have at least 100 electronica cd's.

While that still doesn't make up for all the tunes I download from the TA hub or soulseek, I just can't justify paying 10 dollars for a record with 1 or 2 songs on it. Especially when they are hard to get and I don't DJ. Does everyone screaming about artists being compensated buy all the vinyls to tunes they download?

I think mp3's can be good or bad. I use them to determine if I should buy an artists cd or not. If I end up with more than 1 or 2 songs from a certain cd I generally go out and buy it.

One more thing, if CD's weren't so god awful expensive, I'd buy even more than I do now.

So Uh, yeah.

Yeah I think a lot of us are actually on the same page here.

First of all lets all stop trying to justify your stealing music by citing mainstream artists. Your not even taking there stuff, your taking the other artists alot of whom don'twant there music to be downloaded. Besides it must require some talent to make it big, in fact i was talking to my uncle the other day who works as a&r at interscope records. He was telling me about all the things we look for in an artist that most people don't even realize there looking for, and how some people are clearly a cut above the rest. The biggest thing he told me was that less than one in 500 people who come to him, and are realtivly good get signed, even less go gold.

As far as artists wanting to make money of there music, lets not all lie to ourselves and tell ourselves that if we were loosing potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars we woudnt get pissed off. Every artist loves there music, but at the day everything, music and everything else is a buisness. Your goal may not be money, but your working to attain or retain something.

Anyways I'm really sick of people trying to justify stealing other peoples music. I don't have a good reason, and I'll admit it I _do_ steal music.

I've heard Ferry Corsten say that "mp3s suck."

uhhhhhhh, J-Pax I didn't download his cd, the guy below my post did. If you're wondering how I know I don't like his music it's because I hear his crap on the radio. Good day.

Btw, I never said he shouldn't be paid either, I just said he sucked. C ya

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Originally posted by Nadi First of all lets all stop trying to justify your stealing music by citing mainstream artists. Your not even taking there stuff, your taking the other artists alot of whom don'twant there music to be downloaded. Besides it must require some talent to make it big, in fact i was talking to my uncle the other day who works as a&r at interscope records. He was telling me about all the things we look for in an artist that most people don't even realize there looking for, and how some people are clearly a cut above the rest. The biggest thing he told me was that less than one in 500 people who come to him, and are realtivly good get signed, even less go gold.

not tryna piss u off... i agree with u in some way, some artists have talent... but on the other hand, britney spears, umm... mandy, Jessica Simpson etc. etc.... do they not sound the same? what's sooo unique about them? what special talent do they have? IMO nothing except thet fact, they look good, can sing better than normal people, and that they got lucky, itz not like they all write their own music, (i know some of them do/did) but most of the stuff is written for them, they got lucky, not neceserily meaning they got talent, i hear their songs off MTV etc. than i see live performances on TV once in a while when i flick thru the channels... the voices on the clips are totally different to the live performances, just shows how much of their vocals is digitally enhanced, r u seriously telling me everyone goes there to listen to the music and not to just watch them change dresses every time they sing a new song?

i know though, some of them had worked hard previously, taking music lessons etc. etc. etc. working hard and all that but i would rather people who worked hard and have unique voices be in the mainstream industry.

IMO people like dido and some others that i dont know of, whos voices really do sound one of a kind... thatz true talent, and i hope they make it big coz they deserve it.

peace... not tryna start an argument

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